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00:00:06 from the dark web to your radio dial you were listening to cyber talk radio on
00:00:07 were listening to cyber talk radio on

00:00:07 were listening to cyber talk radio on news 1200 WOA oh welcome to cyber talk
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00:00:13 news 1200 WOA oh welcome to cyber talk radio
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00:00:13 radio I'm your host Brett PI a 20-year
00:00:15 I'm your host Brett PI a 20-year

00:00:15 I'm your host Brett PI a 20-year internet security veteran and I'm joined
00:00:18 internet security veteran and I'm joined

00:00:18 internet security veteran and I'm joined this week in episode number 99 we've
00:00:21 this week in episode number 99 we've

00:00:21 this week in episode number 99 we've almost been on WI now for for two years
00:00:23 almost been on WI now for for two years

00:00:23 almost been on WI now for for two years this has been fun to get lots of
00:00:25 this has been fun to get lots of

00:00:25 this has been fun to get lots of information out about what's going on in
00:00:27 information out about what's going on in

00:00:27 information out about what's going on in the San Antonio cyber security ecosystem
00:00:29 the San Antonio cyber security ecosystem

00:00:29 the San Antonio cyber security ecosystem if you're new and this is the first time
00:00:31 if you're new and this is the first time

00:00:31 if you're new and this is the first time you've had your radio dial on on
00:00:33 you've had your radio dial on on

00:00:33 you've had your radio dial on on Saturday nights when we've come on the
00:00:34 Saturday nights when we've come on the

00:00:34 Saturday nights when we've come on the air we talked all about some super nerdy
00:00:37 air we talked all about some super nerdy

00:00:37 air we talked all about some super nerdy cybersecurity things but then we we also
00:00:39 cybersecurity things but then we we also

00:00:39 cybersecurity things but then we we also get into education quite a bit on the
00:00:41 get into education quite a bit on the

00:00:41 get into education quite a bit on the program because in the cybersecurity
00:00:43 program because in the cybersecurity

00:00:43 program because in the cybersecurity world and all these things that are
00:00:44 world and all these things that are

00:00:44 world and all these things that are going on with hackers we don't have kids
00:00:45 going on with hackers we don't have kids

00:00:45 going on with hackers we don't have kids that are getting interested to learn all
00:00:48 that are getting interested to learn all

00:00:48 that are getting interested to learn all of these things and want to go down that
00:00:51 of these things and want to go down that

00:00:51 of these things and want to go down that path really starting all the way down at
00:00:52 path really starting all the way down at

00:00:52 path really starting all the way down at the middle school level they start
00:00:54 the middle school level they start

00:00:54 the middle school level they start making choices and if we're not pointing
00:00:56 making choices and if we're not pointing

00:00:56 making choices and if we're not pointing them in the right direction we're not
00:00:58 them in the right direction we're not

00:00:58 them in the right direction we're not gonna be able to fill all these jobs
00:00:59 gonna be able to fill all these jobs

00:00:59 gonna be able to fill all these jobs there's already hundreds of thousands of
00:01:02 there's already hundreds of thousands of

00:01:02 there's already hundreds of thousands of openings and by the time you're middle
00:01:03 openings and by the time you're middle

00:01:03 openings and by the time you're middle schoolers and high schoolers are out of
00:01:05 schoolers and high schoolers are out of

00:01:05 schoolers and high schoolers are out of high school or through college there's
00:01:08 high school or through college there's

00:01:08 high school or through college there's gonna be potentially millions of jobs
00:01:09 gonna be potentially millions of jobs

00:01:09 gonna be potentially millions of jobs related to the digital revolution here
00:01:13 related to the digital revolution here

00:01:13 related to the digital revolution here that we're still having it's this
00:01:14 that we're still having it's this

00:01:14 that we're still having it's this internet boom it's not coming to an end
00:01:17 internet boom it's not coming to an end

00:01:17 internet boom it's not coming to an end it's really starting to become a more
00:01:19 it's really starting to become a more

00:01:19 it's really starting to become a more mainstream core component of the economy
00:01:21 mainstream core component of the economy

00:01:21 mainstream core component of the economy and as much as everyone talks about
00:01:23 and as much as everyone talks about

00:01:23 and as much as everyone talks about Amazon and e-commerce and everything now
00:01:26 Amazon and e-commerce and everything now

00:01:26 Amazon and e-commerce and everything now still less than 20% of our commerce is
00:01:29 still less than 20% of our commerce is

00:01:29 still less than 20% of our commerce is done on the Internet today so if you
00:01:31 done on the Internet today so if you

00:01:31 done on the Internet today so if you think about your kids your kids have not
00:01:33 think about your kids your kids have not

00:01:33 think about your kids your kids have not missed the engineering and technology
00:01:36 missed the engineering and technology

00:01:36 missed the engineering and technology revolution from a career and workforce
00:01:38 revolution from a career and workforce

00:01:38 revolution from a career and workforce perspective there's much more to go and
00:01:41 perspective there's much more to go and

00:01:41 perspective there's much more to go and this week we're gonna be talking in
00:01:42 this week we're gonna be talking in

00:01:42 this week we're gonna be talking in those areas as well here in San Antonio
00:01:44 those areas as well here in San Antonio

00:01:44 those areas as well here in San Antonio in bear county we have a number of
00:01:46 in bear county we have a number of

00:01:46 in bear county we have a number of innovative programs that are helping
00:01:48 innovative programs that are helping

00:01:48 innovative programs that are helping raise awareness around stem steam
00:01:50 raise awareness around stem steam

00:01:50 raise awareness around stem steam education and I'm joined this week by
00:01:52 education and I'm joined this week by

00:01:52 education and I'm joined this week by Raoul and cliff and I will let them
00:01:54 Raoul and cliff and I will let them

00:01:54 Raoul and cliff and I will let them introduce themselves here in just a
00:01:56 introduce themselves here in just a

00:01:56 introduce themselves here in just a moment to share and then we'll be
00:01:58 moment to share and then we'll be

00:01:58 moment to share and then we'll be talking about all these education
00:02:01 talking about all these education

00:02:01 talking about all these education opportunities and things that are going
00:02:02 opportunities and things that are going

00:02:02 opportunities and things that are going on in this area if you're not going to
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00:02:30 t-shirt so cliff Rao well who wants to kind of go first and do the main
00:02:32 kind of go first and do the main

00:02:32 kind of go first and do the main introductions here well first of all
00:02:34 introductions here well first of all

00:02:34 introductions here well first of all thank you for having us on Bret this is
00:02:36 thank you for having us on Bret this is

00:02:36 thank you for having us on Bret this is a great opportunity to really talk about
00:02:38 a great opportunity to really talk about

00:02:38 a great opportunity to really talk about something that's very very important for
00:02:40 something that's very very important for

00:02:40 something that's very very important for you know our city I grew up on the south
00:02:43 you know our city I grew up on the south

00:02:43 you know our city I grew up on the south side of San Antonio and went to South
00:02:45 side of San Antonio and went to South

00:02:45 side of San Antonio and went to South San and had a wonderful opportunity to
00:02:47 San and had a wonderful opportunity to

00:02:48 San and had a wonderful opportunity to be exposed to computers in high school
00:02:50 be exposed to computers in high school

00:02:50 be exposed to computers in high school which was unheard of his back in the 60s
00:02:52 which was unheard of his back in the 60s

00:02:52 which was unheard of his back in the 60s when no one even knew what it was and so
00:02:55 when no one even knew what it was and so

00:02:55 when no one even knew what it was and so from there I had a great opportunity to
00:02:58 from there I had a great opportunity to

00:02:58 from there I had a great opportunity to attend am analytical engineering and
00:03:01 attend am analytical engineering and

00:03:01 attend am analytical engineering and they went on to work for Bell Labs out
00:03:02 they went on to work for Bell Labs out

00:03:02 they went on to work for Bell Labs out east and in the area of computing and
00:03:05 east and in the area of computing and

00:03:05 east and in the area of computing and Columbia in computer science and then
00:03:08 Columbia in computer science and then

00:03:08 Columbia in computer science and then eventually got a doctorate in computer
00:03:09 eventually got a doctorate in computer

00:03:09 eventually got a doctorate in computer so I mean in higher ed at A&M again
00:03:12 so I mean in higher ed at A&M again

00:03:12 so I mean in higher ed at A&M again however I think the biggest thing is
00:03:14 however I think the biggest thing is

00:03:14 however I think the biggest thing is that you know having been exposed at an
00:03:17 that you know having been exposed at an

00:03:17 that you know having been exposed at an early age to software development made a
00:03:20 early age to software development made a

00:03:20 early age to software development made a huge impact on my life and affected me
00:03:23 huge impact on my life and affected me

00:03:23 huge impact on my life and affected me ever you know from that point forward
00:03:24 ever you know from that point forward

00:03:24 ever you know from that point forward and so that's why this is so important
00:03:27 and so that's why this is so important

00:03:27 and so that's why this is so important for our young students and I've tried
00:03:29 for our young students and I've tried

00:03:29 for our young students and I've tried tired early from the bell system
00:03:32 tired early from the bell system

00:03:32 tired early from the bell system particularly SBC and we became now again
00:03:35 particularly SBC and we became now again

00:03:35 particularly SBC and we became now again AT&T I had an opportunity to work at
00:03:37 AT&T I had an opportunity to work at

00:03:37 AT&T I had an opportunity to work at UTSA running the pre freshman
00:03:39 UTSA running the pre freshman

00:03:39 UTSA running the pre freshman engineering program which has been
00:03:40 engineering program which has been

00:03:40 engineering program which has been around now for 40 years and it's a
00:03:42 around now for 40 years and it's a

00:03:42 around now for 40 years and it's a program that really prepares middle and
00:03:44 program that really prepares middle and

00:03:44 program that really prepares middle and high school kids it's national for
00:03:47 high school kids it's national for

00:03:47 high school kids it's national for engineering science mathematics
00:03:48 engineering science mathematics

00:03:48 engineering science mathematics technology areas so that whole
00:03:51 technology areas so that whole

00:03:51 technology areas so that whole experience really opened my eyes even
00:03:54 experience really opened my eyes even

00:03:54 experience really opened my eyes even more to the value of exposing our youth
00:03:58 more to the value of exposing our youth

00:03:58 more to the value of exposing our youth to STEM careers and we'll talk more
00:04:00 to STEM careers and we'll talk more

00:04:00 to STEM careers and we'll talk more about how this eventually got us to
00:04:02 about how this eventually got us to

00:04:02 about how this eventually got us to where we're at now but that kind of
00:04:04 where we're at now but that kind of

00:04:04 where we're at now but that kind of gives you a little bit of a background
00:04:06 gives you a little bit of a background

00:04:06 gives you a little bit of a background as to where where I'm coming from and
00:04:08 as to where where I'm coming from and

00:04:08 as to where where I'm coming from and why this is so important because there's
00:04:10 why this is so important because there's

00:04:10 why this is so important because there's a major movement going on within our
00:04:11 a major movement going on within our

00:04:11 a major movement going on within our country related to STEM education and
00:04:14 country related to STEM education and

00:04:14 country related to STEM education and we'll talk more about what that really
00:04:16 we'll talk more about what that really

00:04:16 we'll talk more about what that really means and I have my own story about
00:04:18 means and I have my own story about

00:04:18 means and I have my own story about computers when I was young
00:04:20 computers when I was young

00:04:20 computers when I was young Brett thank you for inviting us onto the
00:04:22 Brett thank you for inviting us onto the

00:04:22 Brett thank you for inviting us onto the program my name is cliff Zhen carafe my
00:04:25 program my name is cliff Zhen carafe my

00:04:25 program my name is cliff Zhen carafe my my computer story when I would
00:04:27 my computer story when I would

00:04:27 my computer story when I would as I had a chemistry teacher when I was
00:04:29 as I had a chemistry teacher when I was

00:04:29 as I had a chemistry teacher when I was in tenth grade decided that we needed to
00:04:31 in tenth grade decided that we needed to

00:04:31 in tenth grade decided that we needed to learn about trs-80 s and went down to
00:04:35 learn about trs-80 s and went down to

00:04:35 learn about trs-80 s and went down to local RadioShack and brought for those
00:04:37 local RadioShack and brought for those

00:04:37 local RadioShack and brought for those machines in and by the end of the next
00:04:39 machines in and by the end of the next

00:04:39 machines in and by the end of the next year I was spending two hours after
00:04:41 year I was spending two hours after

00:04:41 year I was spending two hours after school every day in the computer lab
00:04:42 school every day in the computer lab

00:04:42 school every day in the computer lab writing programs like try Tac Toe which
00:04:45 writing programs like try Tac Toe which

00:04:45 writing programs like try Tac Toe which you know remember with great fondness
00:04:47 you know remember with great fondness

00:04:47 you know remember with great fondness but anyway I I was on the north side of
00:04:50 but anyway I I was on the north side of

00:04:50 but anyway I I was on the north side of town at Lee high school I'm a Trinity
00:04:51 town at Lee high school I'm a Trinity

00:04:51 town at Lee high school I'm a Trinity University graduate worked as a software
00:04:55 University graduate worked as a software

00:04:55 University graduate worked as a software developer in town for some time the last
00:04:58 developer in town for some time the last

00:04:58 developer in town for some time the last job I had in that space was at secure
00:04:59 job I had in that space was at secure

00:04:59 job I had in that space was at secure logics corporation I was employee number
00:05:02 logics corporation I was employee number

00:05:02 logics corporation I was employee number 23 was there for about three and a half
00:05:04 23 was there for about three and a half

00:05:04 23 was there for about three and a half years right in that timeframe there was
00:05:07 years right in that timeframe there was

00:05:07 years right in that timeframe there was an effort in town called suit I some who
00:05:10 an effort in town called suit I some who

00:05:10 an effort in town called suit I some who have been around might be familiar with
00:05:12 have been around might be familiar with

00:05:12 have been around might be familiar with that name as the San Antonio technology
00:05:14 that name as the San Antonio technology

00:05:14 that name as the San Antonio technology accelerator initiative and I had a
00:05:17 accelerator initiative and I had a

00:05:17 accelerator initiative and I had a couple of folks approached me and say we
00:05:19 couple of folks approached me and say we

00:05:19 couple of folks approached me and say we want to start an IT and security Academy
00:05:21 want to start an IT and security Academy

00:05:21 want to start an IT and security Academy here in town we've already started an
00:05:22 here in town we've already started an

00:05:22 here in town we've already started an aerospace Academy and we want to make a
00:05:23 aerospace Academy and we want to make a

00:05:23 aerospace Academy and we want to make a second one and that was really in
00:05:26 second one and that was really in

00:05:26 second one and that was really in hindsight a career change for me where I
00:05:28 hindsight a career change for me where I

00:05:28 hindsight a career change for me where I went from being a software developer and
00:05:30 went from being a software developer and

00:05:30 went from being a software developer and manager and executive to being in the
00:05:33 manager and executive to being in the

00:05:33 manager and executive to being in the educational technology space I
00:05:35 educational technology space I

00:05:35 educational technology space I eventually went back and got a master's
00:05:37 eventually went back and got a master's

00:05:37 eventually went back and got a master's in technology commercialization at a
00:05:39 in technology commercialization at a

00:05:39 in technology commercialization at a place called the IC squared Institute in
00:05:41 place called the IC squared Institute in

00:05:41 place called the IC squared Institute in UT Austin and continued to run my
00:05:45 UT Austin and continued to run my

00:05:45 UT Austin and continued to run my business in the ed tech space serving
00:05:47 business in the ed tech space serving

00:05:47 business in the ed tech space serving middle and high schools community
00:05:49 middle and high schools community

00:05:49 middle and high schools community colleges also universities and through
00:05:53 colleges also universities and through

00:05:53 colleges also universities and through that work at UT Austin and got involved
00:05:54 that work at UT Austin and got involved

00:05:54 that work at UT Austin and got involved in innovation training and I now get to
00:05:57 in innovation training and I now get to

00:05:57 in innovation training and I now get to travel around the country and around the
00:05:59 travel around the country and around the

00:05:59 travel around the country and around the world helping entrepreneurs learn how to
00:06:02 world helping entrepreneurs learn how to

00:06:02 world helping entrepreneurs learn how to bring their pre their product ideas to
00:06:05 bring their pre their product ideas to

00:06:05 bring their pre their product ideas to market and eventually went back and got
00:06:08 market and eventually went back and got

00:06:08 market and eventually went back and got a doctorate and learning technologies
00:06:09 a doctorate and learning technologies

00:06:09 a doctorate and learning technologies and that means that I'm a little
00:06:12 and that means that I'm a little

00:06:12 and that means that I'm a little dangerous sitting here talking about
00:06:14 dangerous sitting here talking about

00:06:14 dangerous sitting here talking about stem and steam and and but I have a
00:06:16 stem and steam and and but I have a

00:06:16 stem and steam and and but I have a particular interest and and some of my
00:06:19 particular interest and and some of my

00:06:19 particular interest and and some of my research has been in the area of how
00:06:22 research has been in the area of how

00:06:22 research has been in the area of how STEM education and steam education
00:06:25 STEM education and steam education

00:06:25 STEM education and steam education intersects with regional technology
00:06:27 intersects with regional technology

00:06:27 intersects with regional technology policies and why those two should be
00:06:29 policies and why those two should be

00:06:29 policies and why those two should be intentionally integrated yeah so again
00:06:31 intentionally integrated yeah so again

00:06:31 intentionally integrated yeah so again thank you for being here I'm looking
00:06:32 thank you for being here I'm looking

00:06:32 thank you for being here I'm looking forward to the conversation absolutely
00:06:34 forward to the conversation absolutely

00:06:34 forward to the conversation absolutely so what are you you guys working on
00:06:36 so what are you you guys working on

00:06:36 so what are you you guys working on together now
00:06:37 together now

00:06:37 together now well so you know Latin about 2017 early
00:06:42 well so you know Latin about 2017 early

00:06:42 well so you know Latin about 2017 early 2017 we got involved and and cliff has
00:06:46 2017 we got involved and and cliff has

00:06:46 2017 we got involved and and cliff has been an integral part of this initiative
00:06:49 been an integral part of this initiative

00:06:49 been an integral part of this initiative when we became aware of via the
00:06:52 when we became aware of via the

00:06:52 when we became aware of via the Department of Education that there was a
00:06:54 Department of Education that there was a

00:06:54 Department of Education that there was a stem learning ecosystem initiative that
00:06:57 stem learning ecosystem initiative that

00:06:57 stem learning ecosystem initiative that was basically been around for at that
00:06:59 was basically been around for at that

00:06:59 was basically been around for at that time at least three or four years at the
00:07:01 time at least three or four years at the

00:07:01 time at least three or four years at the national level and as well as
00:07:03 national level and as well as

00:07:03 national level and as well as international and this is an opportunity
00:07:05 international and this is an opportunity

00:07:05 international and this is an opportunity for cities to apply to become in essence
00:07:09 for cities to apply to become in essence

00:07:09 for cities to apply to become in essence a members of communities of practice at
00:07:11 a members of communities of practice at

00:07:11 a members of communities of practice at the international level that would
00:07:12 the international level that would

00:07:12 the international level that would really you know be supported by an
00:07:15 really you know be supported by an

00:07:15 really you know be supported by an organization that has an amazing history
00:07:18 organization that has an amazing history

00:07:18 organization that has an amazing history and in STEM education and I'll
00:07:21 and in STEM education and I'll

00:07:21 and in STEM education and I'll differentiate STEM education by the way
00:07:23 differentiate STEM education by the way

00:07:23 differentiate STEM education by the way from stem because STEM education is
00:07:26 from stem because STEM education is

00:07:26 from stem because STEM education is really about preparing students for
00:07:30 really about preparing students for

00:07:30 really about preparing students for lessons problem-solving for critical
00:07:33 lessons problem-solving for critical

00:07:33 lessons problem-solving for critical thinking for collaborative work you know
00:07:35 thinking for collaborative work you know

00:07:35 thinking for collaborative work you know working in teams for communication and
00:07:38 working in teams for communication and

00:07:38 working in teams for communication and those areas are critical because they
00:07:41 those areas are critical because they

00:07:41 those areas are critical because they apply to all students every student that
00:07:44 apply to all students every student that

00:07:44 apply to all students every student that has that kind of a background will be
00:07:46 has that kind of a background will be

00:07:46 has that kind of a background will be able to work in whatever field they so
00:07:49 able to work in whatever field they so

00:07:49 able to work in whatever field they so desire so we so we were involved with
00:07:51 desire so we so we were involved with

00:07:51 desire so we so we were involved with this organization because of that
00:07:52 this organization because of that

00:07:52 this organization because of that because it also helps engage teachers
00:07:54 because it also helps engage teachers

00:07:54 because it also helps engage teachers take them to another level and so we
00:07:57 take them to another level and so we

00:07:57 take them to another level and so we worked together with some of the leaders
00:07:59 worked together with some of the leaders

00:07:59 worked together with some of the leaders and just at that time running say
00:08:02 and just at that time running say

00:08:02 and just at that time running say stomach as a chair and but one of the
00:08:05 stomach as a chair and but one of the

00:08:05 stomach as a chair and but one of the key things that happen bread is that
00:08:06 key things that happen bread is that

00:08:06 key things that happen bread is that during that process October of last year
00:08:10 during that process October of last year

00:08:11 during that process October of last year we engaged our mayor mayor Nierenberg
00:08:13 we engaged our mayor mayor Nierenberg

00:08:13 we engaged our mayor mayor Nierenberg was in essence took the time to spend
00:08:16 was in essence took the time to spend

00:08:16 was in essence took the time to spend you know about an hour with us to learn
00:08:18 you know about an hour with us to learn

00:08:18 you know about an hour with us to learn about our initiative and once he was
00:08:22 about our initiative and once he was

00:08:22 about our initiative and once he was made aware he really you know basically
00:08:25 made aware he really you know basically

00:08:25 made aware he really you know basically saw the value of what this meant for our
00:08:27 saw the value of what this meant for our

00:08:27 saw the value of what this meant for our city and not only did he say this is a
00:08:29 city and not only did he say this is a

00:08:29 city and not only did he say this is a good idea I'd like to move this forward
00:08:31 good idea I'd like to move this forward

00:08:31 good idea I'd like to move this forward but he engaged his staff in helping us
00:08:33 but he engaged his staff in helping us

00:08:33 but he engaged his staff in helping us move this forward and that from that
00:08:35 move this forward and that from that

00:08:35 move this forward and that from that point on it just took everything to
00:08:37 point on it just took everything to

00:08:37 point on it just took everything to another level as you might surmise and
00:08:39 another level as you might surmise and

00:08:39 another level as you might surmise and just made it a great opportunity for us
00:08:41 just made it a great opportunity for us

00:08:41 just made it a great opportunity for us to to go forward and so at that point we
00:08:44 to to go forward and so at that point we

00:08:44 to to go forward and so at that point we started working on an application which
00:08:46 started working on an application which

00:08:46 started working on an application which took us about a year and we ended up
00:08:49 took us about a year and we ended up

00:08:49 took us about a year and we ended up applying in May it's a competitive
00:08:51 applying in May it's a competitive

00:08:51 applying in May it's a competitive process and it's a very lengthy and
00:08:54 process and it's a very lengthy and

00:08:54 process and it's a very lengthy and complicated but very well-thought-out
00:08:56 complicated but very well-thought-out

00:08:56 complicated but very well-thought-out and appreciate you working through it
00:08:57 and appreciate you working through it

00:08:57 and appreciate you working through it they worked yeah we did it together as
00:08:59 they worked yeah we did it together as

00:09:00 they worked yeah we did it together as groups and we formed 18 committees and
00:09:02 groups and we formed 18 committees and

00:09:02 groups and we formed 18 committees and bottom line is in June we got word that
00:09:05 bottom line is in June we got word that

00:09:05 bottom line is in June we got word that we were selected there were originally
00:09:08 we were selected there were originally

00:09:08 we were selected there were originally 39 United States and some around the
00:09:12 39 United States and some around the

00:09:12 39 United States and some around the world but they were in a different
00:09:13 world but they were in a different

00:09:13 world but they were in a different bracket who applied and basically of
00:09:16 bracket who applied and basically of

00:09:16 bracket who applied and basically of those I think 27 really submitted an
00:09:19 those I think 27 really submitted an

00:09:19 those I think 27 really submitted an application and of those 10 were
00:09:20 application and of those 10 were

00:09:20 application and of those 10 were selected within our nation and we were
00:09:22 selected within our nation and we were

00:09:22 selected within our nation and we were one of them and I do remember seeing
00:09:24 one of them and I do remember seeing

00:09:24 one of them and I do remember seeing that one of the other communities that
00:09:26 that one of the other communities that

00:09:26 that one of the other communities that was interested was a Dallas Fort Worth
00:09:27 was interested was a Dallas Fort Worth

00:09:27 was interested was a Dallas Fort Worth area which is huge obviously they're
00:09:29 area which is huge obviously they're

00:09:29 area which is huge obviously they're they're not a mark part yet and but San
00:09:32 they're not a mark part yet and but San

00:09:32 they're not a mark part yet and but San Antonio prevailed and I think it's to
00:09:34 Antonio prevailed and I think it's to

00:09:34 Antonio prevailed and I think it's to the credit of our community that we were
00:09:36 the credit of our community that we were

00:09:36 the credit of our community that we were able to come together so the only city
00:09:38 able to come together so the only city

00:09:38 able to come together so the only city in Texas no no Austin was there before
00:09:41 in Texas no no Austin was there before

00:09:41 in Texas no no Austin was there before us in Austin so the yeah what eventually
00:09:43 us in Austin so the yeah what eventually

00:09:43 us in Austin so the yeah what eventually and I'll say this and people will cover
00:09:46 and I'll say this and people will cover

00:09:46 and I'll say this and people will cover their ears or maybe turn the radio off
00:09:48 their ears or maybe turn the radio off

00:09:48 their ears or maybe turn the radio off but I think the Austin and San Antonio
00:09:49 but I think the Austin and San Antonio

00:09:49 but I think the Austin and San Antonio need to be one Metro at some point and
00:09:53 need to be one Metro at some point and

00:09:53 need to be one Metro at some point and may I say Amen brother yes yeah please
00:09:55 may I say Amen brother yes yeah please

00:09:55 may I say Amen brother yes yeah please yeah and and and if I may add there's a
00:09:58 yeah and and and if I may add there's a

00:09:58 yeah and and and if I may add there's a actually a little quote I like to use a
00:09:59 actually a little quote I like to use a

00:09:59 actually a little quote I like to use a lot that by 2050 the San Antonio Austin
00:10:04 lot that by 2050 the San Antonio Austin

00:10:04 lot that by 2050 the San Antonio Austin MSA will have between 8 and 10 million
00:10:07 MSA will have between 8 and 10 million

00:10:07 MSA will have between 8 and 10 million people yeah I you know and we're so
00:10:09 people yeah I you know and we're so

00:10:09 people yeah I you know and we're so complementary right you know I think we
00:10:11 complementary right you know I think we

00:10:11 complementary right you know I think we need to get past some of the rivalry you
00:10:13 need to get past some of the rivalry you

00:10:13 need to get past some of the rivalry you know the rivalry is good right I mean it
00:10:15 know the rivalry is good right I mean it

00:10:15 know the rivalry is good right I mean it helps motivate both both sides at some
00:10:18 helps motivate both both sides at some

00:10:18 helps motivate both both sides at some level but we also need to cooperate a
00:10:20 level but we also need to cooperate a

00:10:20 level but we also need to cooperate a lot more and I see that a lot you know
00:10:21 lot more and I see that a lot you know

00:10:21 lot more and I see that a lot you know living here this is home yeah but
00:10:24 living here this is home yeah but

00:10:24 living here this is home yeah but spending a decent amount of time there
00:10:25 spending a decent amount of time there

00:10:25 spending a decent amount of time there yeah and in Austin and the listeners if
00:10:28 yeah and in Austin and the listeners if

00:10:28 yeah and in Austin and the listeners if you're this 1200 looking all the way up
00:10:29 you're this 1200 looking all the way up

00:10:29 you're this 1200 looking all the way up in Austin so if you're up there if you
00:10:31 in Austin so if you're up there if you

00:10:31 in Austin so if you're up there if you even add Austin and San eternity
00:10:33 even add Austin and San eternity

00:10:33 even add Austin and San eternity together economically we're still half
00:10:34 together economically we're still half

00:10:34 together economically we're still half the size of the DFW Metro so we really
00:10:37 the size of the DFW Metro so we really

00:10:37 the size of the DFW Metro so we really need to cooperate and become the third
00:10:40 need to cooperate and become the third

00:10:40 need to cooperate and become the third major Metro globally in the state of
00:10:44 major Metro globally in the state of

00:10:44 major Metro globally in the state of Texas agreed if I'm add to some things
00:10:47 Texas agreed if I'm add to some things

00:10:47 Texas agreed if I'm add to some things that really said well one is I think the
00:10:50 that really said well one is I think the

00:10:50 that really said well one is I think the support of our mayor on this effort is
00:10:51 support of our mayor on this effort is

00:10:51 support of our mayor on this effort is so critical and it's not just stem and
00:10:54 so critical and it's not just stem and

00:10:54 so critical and it's not just stem and steam it is the way that he is making us
00:10:57 steam it is the way that he is making us

00:10:57 steam it is the way that he is making us face the issues that we have in the city
00:11:00 face the issues that we have in the city

00:11:00 face the issues that we have in the city across a broad across a broad range of
00:11:03 across a broad across a broad range of

00:11:03 across a broad across a broad range of areas you know certainly this is one
00:11:05 areas you know certainly this is one

00:11:05 areas you know certainly this is one the the effort that we have done that is
00:11:09 the the effort that we have done that is

00:11:09 the the effort that we have done that is complementary to Sabbath's but but very
00:11:12 complementary to Sabbath's but but very

00:11:12 complementary to Sabbath's but but very much in line and consistent is the the
00:11:15 much in line and consistent is the the

00:11:15 much in line and consistent is the the mayor's k12 Smart City challenge and in
00:11:17 mayor's k12 Smart City challenge and in

00:11:17 mayor's k12 Smart City challenge and in in that effort we are exercising some of
00:11:21 in that effort we are exercising some of

00:11:21 in that effort we are exercising some of the principles that Sophists is is
00:11:24 the principles that Sophists is is

00:11:24 the principles that Sophists is is implementing but we're doing it from the
00:11:26 implementing but we're doing it from the

00:11:26 implementing but we're doing it from the ground up and I think you had started
00:11:28 ground up and I think you had started

00:11:28 ground up and I think you had started this this little part by asking what
00:11:30 this this little part by asking what

00:11:30 this this little part by asking what Rudy and I work on together that's
00:11:32 Rudy and I work on together that's

00:11:32 Rudy and I work on together that's actually probably a longer list than
00:11:33 actually probably a longer list than

00:11:33 actually probably a longer list than then perhaps we could talk about here
00:11:36 then perhaps we could talk about here

00:11:36 then perhaps we could talk about here but all of those are in the stem and
00:11:39 but all of those are in the stem and

00:11:39 but all of those are in the stem and steam space and and the last thing that
00:11:41 steam space and and the last thing that

00:11:41 steam space and and the last thing that I wanted to add that really talked a
00:11:43 I wanted to add that really talked a

00:11:43 I wanted to add that really talked a little bit about what stem is I think
00:11:45 little bit about what stem is I think

00:11:45 little bit about what stem is I think it's really important to note that at
00:11:48 it's really important to note that at

00:11:48 it's really important to note that at least in the view of people like me
00:11:49 least in the view of people like me

00:11:49 least in the view of people like me we're not talking about stem unless
00:11:50 we're not talking about stem unless

00:11:50 we're not talking about stem unless we're talking about integration across
00:11:52 we're talking about integration across

00:11:52 we're talking about integration across at least two of those four letters in
00:11:55 at least two of those four letters in

00:11:55 at least two of those four letters in the abbreviations you know and that is
00:11:58 the abbreviations you know and that is

00:11:58 the abbreviations you know and that is not I always want to be very clear that
00:12:00 not I always want to be very clear that

00:12:00 not I always want to be very clear that it's not to for example criticize a
00:12:01 it's not to for example criticize a

00:12:01 it's not to for example criticize a classic math class or the accountability
00:12:04 classic math class or the accountability

00:12:04 classic math class or the accountability that happens as taxpayers we want to
00:12:05 that happens as taxpayers we want to

00:12:05 that happens as taxpayers we want to know that our students are learning
00:12:06 know that our students are learning

00:12:06 know that our students are learning something in that math class but if we
00:12:09 something in that math class but if we

00:12:09 something in that math class but if we are going to get past that kind of
00:12:10 are going to get past that kind of

00:12:10 are going to get past that kind of education and get into the education
00:12:12 education and get into the education

00:12:12 education and get into the education that is really impactful and that has a
00:12:15 that is really impactful and that has a

00:12:15 that is really impactful and that has a reverse beneficial impact to learning
00:12:17 reverse beneficial impact to learning

00:12:17 reverse beneficial impact to learning it's not just about getting the people
00:12:20 it's not just about getting the people

00:12:20 it's not just about getting the people into career and into the workforce
00:12:21 into career and into the workforce

00:12:21 into career and into the workforce there's this learning benefit that comes
00:12:23 there's this learning benefit that comes

00:12:23 there's this learning benefit that comes back the other way I think it is really
00:12:25 back the other way I think it is really

00:12:25 back the other way I think it is really important to address them and steam in
00:12:28 important to address them and steam in

00:12:28 important to address them and steam in that respect if you look out into what's
00:12:31 that respect if you look out into what's

00:12:31 that respect if you look out into what's going on with computing and technology
00:12:32 going on with computing and technology

00:12:32 going on with computing and technology computers are getting really good like
00:12:34 computers are getting really good like

00:12:34 computers are getting really good like you're try Tac Toe now no one's beating
00:12:35 you're try Tac Toe now no one's beating

00:12:35 you're try Tac Toe now no one's beating the computer at try Tac Toe anymore that
00:12:38 the computer at try Tac Toe anymore that

00:12:38 the computer at try Tac Toe anymore that is you you get into more complex problem
00:12:41 is you you get into more complex problem

00:12:41 is you you get into more complex problem solving and more areas of ambiguity the
00:12:45 solving and more areas of ambiguity the

00:12:45 solving and more areas of ambiguity the human brain is much better and it will
00:12:47 human brain is much better and it will

00:12:47 human brain is much better and it will be much better for the foreseeable
00:12:49 be much better for the foreseeable

00:12:49 be much better for the foreseeable future and I sit saying this is someone
00:12:53 future and I sit saying this is someone

00:12:53 future and I sit saying this is someone who's spends a good amount of time
00:12:54 who's spends a good amount of time

00:12:54 who's spends a good amount of time researching into AI where it's going and
00:12:57 researching into AI where it's going and

00:12:57 researching into AI where it's going and how we can apply it inside of the
00:12:58 how we can apply it inside of the

00:12:58 how we can apply it inside of the business that I've run during the day
00:13:01 business that I've run during the day

00:13:01 business that I've run during the day when rather than when I'm not on the
00:13:03 when rather than when I'm not on the

00:13:03 when rather than when I'm not on the radio here in the middle of the night
00:13:04 radio here in the middle of the night

00:13:04 radio here in the middle of the night that and so for those kids in education
00:13:07 that and so for those kids in education

00:13:07 that and so for those kids in education like the pocket calculator and being
00:13:10 like the pocket calculator and being

00:13:10 like the pocket calculator and being able to do that I mean the arithmetic
00:13:13 able to do that I mean the arithmetic

00:13:13 able to do that I mean the arithmetic now you don't necessarily need that but
00:13:14 now you don't necessarily need that but

00:13:14 now you don't necessarily need that but even looking up facts anymore is but
00:13:16 even looking up facts anymore is but

00:13:16 even looking up facts anymore is but it's going to become something that's
00:13:17 it's going to become something that's

00:13:18 it's going to become something that's available to you
00:13:19 available to you

00:13:19 available to you augmented memorization is not what the
00:13:23 augmented memorization is not what the

00:13:23 augmented memorization is not what the the workforce is gonna do and it's not
00:13:24 the workforce is gonna do and it's not

00:13:24 the workforce is gonna do and it's not what we need to be teaching in schools
00:13:26 what we need to be teaching in schools

00:13:26 what we need to be teaching in schools anymore so I'm super thrilled to hear
00:13:28 anymore so I'm super thrilled to hear

00:13:28 anymore so I'm super thrilled to hear you thinking cross-discipline combining
00:13:30 you thinking cross-discipline combining

00:13:30 you thinking cross-discipline combining things together that abstract thinking
00:13:33 things together that abstract thinking

00:13:33 things together that abstract thinking and the problem-solving and the things
00:13:35 and the problem-solving and the things

00:13:35 and the problem-solving and the things that you're not gonna be able teach a
00:13:36 that you're not gonna be able teach a

00:13:36 that you're not gonna be able teach a computer or program a computer to do
00:13:37 computer or program a computer to do

00:13:37 computer or program a computer to do well for a very long time so well so
00:13:41 well for a very long time so well so

00:13:41 well for a very long time so well so I'll tell you that as an 11th grader
00:13:43 I'll tell you that as an 11th grader

00:13:43 I'll tell you that as an 11th grader Tritech too kicked my tail and and I
00:13:46 Tritech too kicked my tail and and I

00:13:46 Tritech too kicked my tail and and I don't mean in winning the game I mean
00:13:48 don't mean in winning the game I mean

00:13:48 don't mean in winning the game I mean just trying to figure out how to program
00:13:50 just trying to figure out how to program

00:13:50 just trying to figure out how to program it right and I imagine that kind of
00:13:52 it right and I imagine that kind of

00:13:52 it right and I imagine that kind of experience for today's for today's
00:13:54 experience for today's for today's

00:13:54 experience for today's for today's students as well and it you know it's
00:13:56 students as well and it you know it's

00:13:56 students as well and it you know it's all about this is the soundbite but it's
00:13:58 all about this is the soundbite but it's

00:13:58 all about this is the soundbite but it's all about the four C's communication
00:14:00 all about the four C's communication

00:14:00 all about the four C's communication creativity collaboration critical
00:14:02 creativity collaboration critical

00:14:02 creativity collaboration critical thinking and I think you know the you
00:14:04 thinking and I think you know the you

00:14:04 thinking and I think you know the you you hit on the key bread you know
00:14:07 you hit on the key bread you know

00:14:07 you hit on the key bread you know problem-solving is very very critical
00:14:09 problem-solving is very very critical

00:14:09 problem-solving is very very critical because you know people talk about okay
00:14:12 because you know people talk about okay

00:14:12 because you know people talk about okay there are jobs that haven't been defined
00:14:14 there are jobs that haven't been defined

00:14:14 there are jobs that haven't been defined yet that are gonna be in essence
00:14:15 yet that are gonna be in essence

00:14:15 yet that are gonna be in essence available and the key again is if kids
00:14:17 available and the key again is if kids

00:14:18 available and the key again is if kids know how to problem-solve
00:14:19 know how to problem-solve

00:14:19 know how to problem-solve then they're gonna be able to address
00:14:21 then they're gonna be able to address

00:14:21 then they're gonna be able to address whatever you know the issues and they're
00:14:23 whatever you know the issues and they're

00:14:23 whatever you know the issues and they're gonna be dealing with much more
00:14:24 gonna be dealing with much more

00:14:24 gonna be dealing with much more complexity than we dealt with with some
00:14:28 complexity than we dealt with with some

00:14:28 complexity than we dealt with with some of the issues that we see now globally
00:14:29 of the issues that we see now globally

00:14:29 of the issues that we see now globally that you know they're gonna be faced
00:14:31 that you know they're gonna be faced

00:14:31 that you know they're gonna be faced with so that's why a stem education at K
00:14:34 with so that's why a stem education at K

00:14:34 with so that's why a stem education at K to 12 provides a great foundation where
00:14:37 to 12 provides a great foundation where

00:14:37 to 12 provides a great foundation where as a stem portion of it I mentioned to
00:14:39 as a stem portion of it I mentioned to

00:14:39 as a stem portion of it I mentioned to you could look at the difference is
00:14:40 you could look at the difference is

00:14:40 you could look at the difference is really more at the University in college
00:14:43 really more at the University in college

00:14:43 really more at the University in college level that's where you have you know the
00:14:45 level that's where you have you know the

00:14:45 level that's where you have you know the ability to major in physics or or
00:14:47 ability to major in physics or or

00:14:47 ability to major in physics or or mathematics or engineering architecture
00:14:49 mathematics or engineering architecture

00:14:49 mathematics or engineering architecture you know those areas however if a child
00:14:52 you know those areas however if a child

00:14:52 you know those areas however if a child wants to major you know and basically
00:14:54 wants to major you know and basically

00:14:54 wants to major you know and basically counting or they want to measure in a
00:14:57 counting or they want to measure in a

00:14:57 counting or they want to measure in a non if you would science and and
00:14:59 non if you would science and and

00:14:59 non if you would science and and technology field they still are going to
00:15:02 technology field they still are going to

00:15:02 technology field they still are going to be faced with having to deal with
00:15:04 be faced with having to deal with

00:15:04 be faced with having to deal with technology because technology is
00:15:05 technology because technology is

00:15:05 technology because technology is everywhere its ubiquitous so we really
00:15:08 everywhere its ubiquitous so we really

00:15:08 everywhere its ubiquitous so we really need again for them to be valuable and
00:15:11 need again for them to be valuable and

00:15:11 need again for them to be valuable and effective that foundation is critical
00:15:13 effective that foundation is critical

00:15:13 effective that foundation is critical for their ability to you know really
00:15:15 for their ability to you know really

00:15:15 for their ability to you know really provide value to whatever discipline
00:15:18 provide value to whatever discipline

00:15:18 provide value to whatever discipline they decide to pursue as they move
00:15:19 they decide to pursue as they move

00:15:19 they decide to pursue as they move forward
00:15:20 forward

00:15:20 forward yeah I've been I couldn't agree more
00:15:22 yeah I've been I couldn't agree more

00:15:22 yeah I've been I couldn't agree more with what you're saying there so I heard
00:15:24 with what you're saying there so I heard

00:15:24 with what you're saying there so I heard a term that I'd never heard before just
00:15:27 a term that I'd never heard before just

00:15:27 a term that I'd never heard before just this last couple of weeks ago so we've
00:15:29 this last couple of weeks ago so we've

00:15:29 this last couple of weeks ago so we've all heard literate before
00:15:31 all heard literate before

00:15:31 all heard literate before but I've heard somebody used the word
00:15:33 but I've heard somebody used the word

00:15:33 but I've heard somebody used the word numerate like that we all actually need
00:15:35 numerate like that we all actually need

00:15:35 numerate like that we all actually need to be able to understand numbers in math
00:15:36 to be able to understand numbers in math

00:15:36 to be able to understand numbers in math as people are making data using data to
00:15:41 as people are making data using data to

00:15:41 as people are making data using data to make decisions more and more and we have
00:15:43 make decisions more and more and we have

00:15:43 make decisions more and more and we have a large portion or population that
00:15:45 a large portion or population that

00:15:45 a large portion or population that doesn't feel like that the numbers don't
00:15:48 doesn't feel like that the numbers don't

00:15:48 doesn't feel like that the numbers don't make sense to them because we haven't
00:15:50 make sense to them because we haven't

00:15:50 make sense to them because we haven't built that fundamental knowledge there
00:15:52 built that fundamental knowledge there

00:15:52 built that fundamental knowledge there is this is this a conversation that was
00:15:55 is this is this a conversation that was

00:15:55 is this is this a conversation that was heavier this is something that you guys
00:15:56 heavier this is something that you guys

00:15:56 heavier this is something that you guys have that educators talk about alright
00:15:58 have that educators talk about alright

00:15:58 have that educators talk about alright well I have a personal confession to
00:15:59 well I have a personal confession to

00:15:59 well I have a personal confession to make which is that I was a terrible math
00:16:00 make which is that I was a terrible math

00:16:00 make which is that I was a terrible math tutor to my oldest daughter she you know
00:16:03 tutor to my oldest daughter she you know

00:16:03 tutor to my oldest daughter she you know she really you know coming up through
00:16:05 she really you know coming up through

00:16:05 she really you know coming up through high school you know would bring her
00:16:07 high school you know would bring her

00:16:07 high school you know would bring her math homework home and I would try to
00:16:08 math homework home and I would try to

00:16:08 math homework home and I would try to help her with it we eventually found a
00:16:09 help her with it we eventually found a

00:16:09 help her with it we eventually found a tutor that was much better with her than
00:16:11 tutor that was much better with her than

00:16:11 tutor that was much better with her than I was thank goodness she's now a BSN a
00:16:14 I was thank goodness she's now a BSN a

00:16:14 I was thank goodness she's now a BSN a nurse and where she really went over the
00:16:16 nurse and where she really went over the

00:16:16 nurse and where she really went over the line between taking a math problem and
00:16:19 line between taking a math problem and

00:16:19 line between taking a math problem and addressing it as something that you
00:16:21 addressing it as something that you

00:16:21 addressing it as something that you apply rules to and having it really
00:16:23 apply rules to and having it really

00:16:23 apply rules to and having it really click in her brain is when she had to
00:16:24 click in her brain is when she had to

00:16:24 click in her brain is when she had to start thinking about it in the context
00:16:26 start thinking about it in the context

00:16:26 start thinking about it in the context of nursing and you know there's ability
00:16:28 of nursing and you know there's ability

00:16:28 of nursing and you know there's ability for example to estimate right I mean
00:16:30 for example to estimate right I mean

00:16:30 for example to estimate right I mean it's me part of being numerous is being
00:16:33 it's me part of being numerous is being

00:16:33 it's me part of being numerous is being able to like look at what you think is
00:16:35 able to like look at what you think is

00:16:35 able to like look at what you think is the solution to a problem and say that
00:16:37 the solution to a problem and say that

00:16:37 the solution to a problem and say that can't be right and then to go back and
00:16:39 can't be right and then to go back and

00:16:39 can't be right and then to go back and look at it again she crossed lines like
00:16:41 look at it again she crossed lines like

00:16:41 look at it again she crossed lines like that when she did it in context there it
00:16:44 that when she did it in context there it

00:16:44 that when she did it in context there it is again you learn and retain and apply
00:16:46 is again you learn and retain and apply

00:16:46 is again you learn and retain and apply better when you learn this stuff in the
00:16:48 better when you learn this stuff in the

00:16:48 better when you learn this stuff in the context of something new yeah so
00:16:49 context of something new yeah so

00:16:49 context of something new yeah so relevance is key and I agree with with
00:16:51 relevance is key and I agree with with

00:16:51 relevance is key and I agree with with cliff in which you're bringing up as
00:16:53 cliff in which you're bringing up as

00:16:53 cliff in which you're bringing up as well Brett that you know being able to
00:16:55 well Brett that you know being able to

00:16:55 well Brett that you know being able to have kids especially get involved with
00:16:58 have kids especially get involved with

00:16:58 have kids especially get involved with you know there's a pedagogy that we're
00:17:00 you know there's a pedagogy that we're

00:17:00 you know there's a pedagogy that we're seeing more more use project-based
00:17:02 seeing more more use project-based

00:17:02 seeing more more use project-based learning yeah and you know that's
00:17:03 learning yeah and you know that's

00:17:03 learning yeah and you know that's something that really provides the
00:17:06 something that really provides the

00:17:06 something that really provides the relevance it provides especially if you
00:17:07 relevance it provides especially if you

00:17:07 relevance it provides especially if you have real-world situations which are
00:17:09 have real-world situations which are

00:17:09 have real-world situations which are bringing up where they can connect you
00:17:11 bringing up where they can connect you

00:17:11 bringing up where they can connect you know what they're doing to something
00:17:13 know what they're doing to something

00:17:13 know what they're doing to something that makes sense and engages them
00:17:15 that makes sense and engages them

00:17:15 that makes sense and engages them because they live in a world that's
00:17:16 because they live in a world that's

00:17:16 because they live in a world that's totally different than for sure mine and
00:17:19 totally different than for sure mine and

00:17:19 totally different than for sure mine and to a certain extent I'm sure yours as
00:17:20 to a certain extent I'm sure yours as

00:17:20 to a certain extent I'm sure yours as well that is fast-paced it's a video
00:17:23 well that is fast-paced it's a video

00:17:23 well that is fast-paced it's a video base and they engage with those types of
00:17:26 base and they engage with those types of

00:17:26 base and they engage with those types of things much more you know clearly and so
00:17:28 things much more you know clearly and so

00:17:28 things much more you know clearly and so when we can provide them with an
00:17:30 when we can provide them with an

00:17:30 when we can provide them with an opportunity to work on a problem to work
00:17:33 opportunity to work on a problem to work

00:17:33 opportunity to work on a problem to work on a project that is you know relevant
00:17:36 on a project that is you know relevant

00:17:36 on a project that is you know relevant it really increases the opportunity for
00:17:38 it really increases the opportunity for

00:17:38 it really increases the opportunity for them to engage and that's what we need
00:17:40 them to engage and that's what we need

00:17:40 them to engage and that's what we need because you know without that what we're
00:17:43 because you know without that what we're

00:17:43 because you know without that what we're seeing is we're trying to apply
00:17:45 seeing is we're trying to apply

00:17:45 seeing is we're trying to apply a hundred year process that has worked
00:17:47 a hundred year process that has worked

00:17:47 a hundred year process that has worked in the past and as you mentioned now
00:17:50 in the past and as you mentioned now

00:17:50 in the past and as you mentioned now we're dealing with a totally different
00:17:51 we're dealing with a totally different

00:17:51 we're dealing with a totally different environment and we're trying to apply
00:17:53 environment and we're trying to apply

00:17:53 environment and we're trying to apply the same approach and we need to change
00:17:55 the same approach and we need to change

00:17:55 the same approach and we need to change that and doesn't mean that you know it's
00:17:57 that and doesn't mean that you know it's

00:17:57 that and doesn't mean that you know it's important for them to understand you
00:17:59 important for them to understand you

00:17:59 important for them to understand you know concepts of algebra and so forth
00:18:00 know concepts of algebra and so forth

00:18:01 know concepts of algebra and so forth but there's also an importance to
00:18:02 but there's also an importance to

00:18:02 but there's also an importance to understand the relevance how do we use
00:18:04 understand the relevance how do we use

00:18:04 understand the relevance how do we use it why because as they may or may not
00:18:06 it why because as they may or may not

00:18:06 it why because as they may or may not know it's helping them develop their
00:18:08 know it's helping them develop their

00:18:08 know it's helping them develop their thinking ability every time you know
00:18:10 thinking ability every time you know

00:18:10 thinking ability every time you know they're solving problems and that's the
00:18:11 they're solving problems and that's the

00:18:11 they're solving problems and that's the kind of thing that will help them become
00:18:13 kind of thing that will help them become

00:18:13 kind of thing that will help them become more in essence you know just useful to
00:18:15 more in essence you know just useful to

00:18:15 more in essence you know just useful to their jobs and their employers and
00:18:17 their jobs and their employers and

00:18:17 their jobs and their employers and whatever they decide to do and I think
00:18:19 whatever they decide to do and I think

00:18:19 whatever they decide to do and I think this is one of the place where sadhus
00:18:20 this is one of the place where sadhus

00:18:20 this is one of the place where sadhus can make a huge difference there are
00:18:22 can make a huge difference there are

00:18:22 can make a huge difference there are techniques out there for how you do
00:18:24 techniques out there for how you do

00:18:24 techniques out there for how you do project-based learning yeah if you have
00:18:26 project-based learning yeah if you have

00:18:26 project-based learning yeah if you have something like Savas those techniques
00:18:28 something like Savas those techniques

00:18:28 something like Savas those techniques can be gathered in one place there can
00:18:29 can be gathered in one place there can

00:18:29 can be gathered in one place there can be trainers there's a place that people
00:18:31 be trainers there's a place that people

00:18:31 be trainers there's a place that people can go where teachers educators can go
00:18:34 can go where teachers educators can go

00:18:34 can go where teachers educators can go to learning to learn how to do these
00:18:35 to learning to learn how to do these

00:18:35 to learning to learn how to do these sort of things I also think that sa
00:18:38 sort of things I also think that sa

00:18:38 sort of things I also think that sa smart the mayor's Smart City challenge
00:18:39 smart the mayor's Smart City challenge

00:18:39 smart the mayor's Smart City challenge can be a place for that because you put
00:18:41 can be a place for that because you put

00:18:41 can be a place for that because you put it to work and so you know you're not
00:18:43 it to work and so you know you're not

00:18:43 it to work and so you know you're not talking about doing it you're actually
00:18:45 talking about doing it you're actually

00:18:45 talking about doing it you're actually doing it and I gave cliff a lot of
00:18:48 doing it and I gave cliff a lot of

00:18:48 doing it and I gave cliff a lot of credit because you know he is what I
00:18:50 credit because you know he is what I

00:18:50 credit because you know he is what I would refer to as a master collaborator
00:18:53 would refer to as a master collaborator

00:18:53 would refer to as a master collaborator and just you know someone I have so much
00:18:55 and just you know someone I have so much

00:18:55 and just you know someone I have so much respect for because he really truly
00:18:58 respect for because he really truly

00:18:58 respect for because he really truly wants and it's called enlightened
00:19:00 wants and it's called enlightened

00:19:00 wants and it's called enlightened self-interest to be able to take you
00:19:01 self-interest to be able to take you

00:19:01 self-interest to be able to take you know what we're doing as a city and move
00:19:03 know what we're doing as a city and move

00:19:03 know what we're doing as a city and move things forward but move beyond our own
00:19:05 things forward but move beyond our own

00:19:05 things forward but move beyond our own agendas and the fact that he did work
00:19:08 agendas and the fact that he did work

00:19:08 agendas and the fact that he did work you know in working bringing together
00:19:09 you know in working bringing together

00:19:09 you know in working bringing together this mayor's Cup and the time that he
00:19:12 this mayor's Cup and the time that he

00:19:12 this mayor's Cup and the time that he spent on that is amazing because I know
00:19:15 spent on that is amazing because I know

00:19:15 spent on that is amazing because I know it's that commitment to improve our city
00:19:18 it's that commitment to improve our city

00:19:18 it's that commitment to improve our city and we have people like him all the way
00:19:20 and we have people like him all the way

00:19:20 and we have people like him all the way across our city which makes Senate Tony
00:19:22 across our city which makes Senate Tony

00:19:22 across our city which makes Senate Tony unique we have a very unique culture
00:19:24 unique we have a very unique culture

00:19:24 unique we have a very unique culture here as we all know and it's a culture
00:19:26 here as we all know and it's a culture

00:19:26 here as we all know and it's a culture that really lends itself you know it's
00:19:28 that really lends itself you know it's

00:19:28 that really lends itself you know it's not anywhere near perfect but it really
00:19:30 not anywhere near perfect but it really

00:19:30 not anywhere near perfect but it really lends itself to collaborative work to
00:19:32 lends itself to collaborative work to

00:19:32 lends itself to collaborative work to working together and that's the kind of
00:19:34 working together and that's the kind of

00:19:34 working together and that's the kind of thing that will help our kids and then
00:19:35 thing that will help our kids and then

00:19:35 thing that will help our kids and then when you add to that we now have a an
00:19:39 when you add to that we now have a an

00:19:39 when you add to that we now have a an infrastructure that's being brought to
00:19:41 infrastructure that's being brought to

00:19:41 infrastructure that's being brought to us from a national and international
00:19:42 us from a national and international

00:19:42 us from a national and international level people who have been doing this in
00:19:45 level people who have been doing this in

00:19:45 level people who have been doing this in bringing communities together to help us
00:19:46 bringing communities together to help us

00:19:46 bringing communities together to help us cultivate our community that's going to
00:19:49 cultivate our community that's going to

00:19:49 cultivate our community that's going to help us really take what we're doing to
00:19:51 help us really take what we're doing to

00:19:51 help us really take what we're doing to another level as well as access to
00:19:53 another level as well as access to

00:19:53 another level as well as access to research access to and as it's other
00:19:55 research access to and as it's other

00:19:55 research access to and as it's other types of tools as well as access to 67
00:19:58 types of tools as well as access to 67

00:19:58 types of tools as well as access to 67 other CEM
00:19:58 other CEM

00:19:58 other CEM around the world who have been working
00:20:00 around the world who have been working

00:20:00 around the world who have been working towards developing their ecosystems and
00:20:03 towards developing their ecosystems and

00:20:03 towards developing their ecosystems and then we can also work together yeah so
00:20:06 then we can also work together yeah so

00:20:06 then we can also work together yeah so we've I think maybe all the deep dive in
00:20:09 we've I think maybe all the deep dive in

00:20:09 we've I think maybe all the deep dive in this into the second half of the program
00:20:10 this into the second half of the program

00:20:10 this into the second half of the program but I'll ask a kind of teaser question a
00:20:12 but I'll ask a kind of teaser question a

00:20:13 but I'll ask a kind of teaser question a little bit now so is you talk about this
00:20:15 little bit now so is you talk about this

00:20:15 little bit now so is you talk about this project based learning you talk about
00:20:17 project based learning you talk about

00:20:17 project based learning you talk about cross-functional the importance of
00:20:18 cross-functional the importance of

00:20:18 cross-functional the importance of cross-functional learning of combining
00:20:20 cross-functional learning of combining

00:20:20 cross-functional learning of combining disciplines together of math and history
00:20:22 disciplines together of math and history

00:20:22 disciplines together of math and history and and the you're pulling these pieces
00:20:24 and and the you're pulling these pieces

00:20:24 and and the you're pulling these pieces together to get them to think this way
00:20:26 together to get them to think this way

00:20:26 together to get them to think this way this is not the way the education system
00:20:28 this is not the way the education system

00:20:28 this is not the way the education system design do you you go in to start at
00:20:30 design do you you go in to start at

00:20:30 design do you you go in to start at middle school and in elementary school
00:20:32 middle school and in elementary school

00:20:32 middle school and in elementary school it is you've got one teacher that
00:20:33 it is you've got one teacher that

00:20:33 it is you've got one teacher that teaches everything so they can figure
00:20:35 teaches everything so they can figure

00:20:35 teaches everything so they can figure out how to mix different things
00:20:37 out how to mix different things

00:20:37 out how to mix different things different areas of study into a lesson
00:20:40 different areas of study into a lesson

00:20:40 different areas of study into a lesson plan but as soon as you get to middle
00:20:42 plan but as soon as you get to middle

00:20:42 plan but as soon as you get to middle school we start carving up where you've
00:20:43 school we start carving up where you've

00:20:43 school we start carving up where you've got Spanish class you've got math class
00:20:45 got Spanish class you've got math class

00:20:45 got Spanish class you've got math class you have science class and then none the
00:20:47 you have science class and then none the

00:20:47 you have science class and then none the too shall pass it's like connecting
00:20:49 too shall pass it's like connecting

00:20:49 too shall pass it's like connecting lightsabers together at that point you
00:20:51 lightsabers together at that point you

00:20:51 lightsabers together at that point you get sparks and then teachers aren't
00:20:53 get sparks and then teachers aren't

00:20:53 get sparks and then teachers aren't trained to potentially or maybe they
00:20:56 trained to potentially or maybe they

00:20:56 trained to potentially or maybe they don't even have the creation to be able
00:20:58 don't even have the creation to be able

00:20:58 don't even have the creation to be able to teach both of those things so the
00:21:02 to teach both of those things so the

00:21:02 to teach both of those things so the short version answer here before the
00:21:03 short version answer here before the

00:21:03 short version answer here before the break and then maybe we can discuss this
00:21:05 break and then maybe we can discuss this

00:21:05 break and then maybe we can discuss this in more depth after the break but how do
00:21:07 in more depth after the break but how do

00:21:07 in more depth after the break but how do you go start driving these changes in
00:21:09 you go start driving these changes in

00:21:09 you go start driving these changes in the way that we are teaching middle
00:21:12 the way that we are teaching middle

00:21:12 the way that we are teaching middle school in high school and even on up
00:21:13 school in high school and even on up

00:21:13 school in high school and even on up into college
00:21:14 into college

00:21:14 into college seriously the short version answer yeah
00:21:16 seriously the short version answer yeah

00:21:16 seriously the short version answer yeah if there are servers we've got about
00:21:18 if there are servers we've got about

00:21:18 if there are servers we've got about three minutes now before here we're
00:21:19 three minutes now before here we're

00:21:19 three minutes now before here we're gonna head into a break here for Rudy if
00:21:22 gonna head into a break here for Rudy if

00:21:22 gonna head into a break here for Rudy if I may start here I think helping them
00:21:24 I may start here I think helping them

00:21:25 I may start here I think helping them experience it might be the one might be
00:21:27 experience it might be the one might be

00:21:27 experience it might be the one might be the one-word answer the second thing
00:21:28 the one-word answer the second thing

00:21:28 the one-word answer the second thing that I would say is that there are
00:21:30 that I would say is that there are

00:21:30 that I would say is that there are things that you can do in a traditional
00:21:31 things that you can do in a traditional

00:21:31 things that you can do in a traditional setting to begin to bring these things
00:21:33 setting to begin to bring these things

00:21:33 setting to begin to bring these things into the classroom it's the distinction
00:21:35 into the classroom it's the distinction

00:21:35 into the classroom it's the distinction that I make is between methods and
00:21:37 that I make is between methods and

00:21:37 that I make is between methods and techniques allow me to define that a
00:21:39 techniques allow me to define that a

00:21:39 techniques allow me to define that a method is something that you're going to
00:21:41 method is something that you're going to

00:21:41 method is something that you're going to need a full class period or a week or a
00:21:43 need a full class period or a week or a

00:21:43 need a full class period or a week or a semester to execute project-based
00:21:46 semester to execute project-based

00:21:46 semester to execute project-based learning that for example the buck
00:21:47 learning that for example the buck

00:21:47 learning that for example the buck Institute materials for project-based
00:21:49 Institute materials for project-based

00:21:49 Institute materials for project-based learning come to mind then there are
00:21:51 learning come to mind then there are

00:21:51 learning come to mind then there are techniques which a professional teacher
00:21:53 techniques which a professional teacher

00:21:53 techniques which a professional teacher and by the way and I say that very much
00:21:56 and by the way and I say that very much

00:21:56 and by the way and I say that very much on purpose teachers are professionals
00:21:57 on purpose teachers are professionals

00:21:57 on purpose teachers are professionals they're in their classroom they know
00:21:59 they're in their classroom they know

00:21:59 they're in their classroom they know what they need to do to help those
00:22:00 what they need to do to help those

00:22:00 what they need to do to help those students learn there are techniques that
00:22:02 students learn there are techniques that

00:22:02 students learn there are techniques that they can use to do this or bring more of
00:22:05 they can use to do this or bring more of

00:22:05 they can use to do this or bring more of this into their existing classrooms for
00:22:07 this into their existing classrooms for

00:22:07 this into their existing classrooms for example they can have an ad hoc
00:22:08 example they can have an ad hoc

00:22:08 example they can have an ad hoc discussion where they propose a problem
00:22:10 discussion where they propose a problem

00:22:10 discussion where they propose a problem to the students and they talk about it
00:22:12 to the students and they talk about it

00:22:12 to the students and they talk about it for five
00:22:12 for five

00:22:12 for five minutes or 10 minutes right so there's a
00:22:15 minutes or 10 minutes right so there's a

00:22:15 minutes or 10 minutes right so there's a continuum of things that can be done and
00:22:17 continuum of things that can be done and

00:22:17 continuum of things that can be done and it's generational I'll stop there
00:22:20 it's generational I'll stop there

00:22:20 it's generational I'll stop there well they'll also add to that that
00:22:21 well they'll also add to that that

00:22:21 well they'll also add to that that that's one of the reasons why we're
00:22:23 that's one of the reasons why we're

00:22:23 that's one of the reasons why we're really excited about Sabbath's because
00:22:25 really excited about Sabbath's because

00:22:25 really excited about Sabbath's because it's really about multidisciplinary
00:22:27 it's really about multidisciplinary

00:22:27 it's really about multidisciplinary cross-disciplinary interdisciplinary but
00:22:29 cross-disciplinary interdisciplinary but

00:22:29 cross-disciplinary interdisciplinary but one other area we can talk about after
00:22:31 one other area we can talk about after

00:22:31 one other area we can talk about after the break is cross-sector that's one
00:22:34 the break is cross-sector that's one

00:22:34 the break is cross-sector that's one that's very very unique to what they're
00:22:36 that's very very unique to what they're

00:22:36 that's very very unique to what they're really pushing and I think that'll help
00:22:38 really pushing and I think that'll help

00:22:38 really pushing and I think that'll help answer your your question is well Britt
00:22:40 answer your your question is well Britt

00:22:40 answer your your question is well Britt yeah so for those going okay we started
00:22:43 yeah so for those going okay we started

00:22:43 yeah so for those going okay we started this discussion about project-based
00:22:44 this discussion about project-based

00:22:44 this discussion about project-based learning cross-disciplinary stuff what
00:22:46 learning cross-disciplinary stuff what

00:22:46 learning cross-disciplinary stuff what is this and why does it matter so if you
00:22:47 is this and why does it matter so if you

00:22:47 is this and why does it matter so if you get out and thinking in your work life
00:22:50 get out and thinking in your work life

00:22:50 get out and thinking in your work life you don't get signed at work a series of
00:22:53 you don't get signed at work a series of

00:22:53 you don't get signed at work a series of lessons to learn a bunch of building
00:22:55 lessons to learn a bunch of building

00:22:55 lessons to learn a bunch of building blocks for four months and then at the
00:22:57 blocks for four months and then at the

00:22:57 blocks for four months and then at the end of that then your boss says hey
00:22:59 end of that then your boss says hey

00:22:59 end of that then your boss says hey here's the thing where you're actually
00:23:00 here's the thing where you're actually

00:23:00 here's the thing where you're actually gonna use all those together in
00:23:01 gonna use all those together in

00:23:01 gonna use all those together in something you get told we've got a
00:23:03 something you get told we've got a

00:23:03 something you get told we've got a project to go do we need to go plan a
00:23:06 project to go do we need to go plan a

00:23:06 project to go do we need to go plan a Christmas party and maybe you've never
00:23:07 Christmas party and maybe you've never

00:23:07 Christmas party and maybe you've never done event planning before so you've and
00:23:09 done event planning before so you've and

00:23:09 done event planning before so you've and you you're not on the accounting team so
00:23:11 you you're not on the accounting team so

00:23:11 you you're not on the accounting team so you've not done budgeting but you're
00:23:12 you've not done budgeting but you're

00:23:12 you've not done budgeting but you're gonna go learn enough budgeting you're
00:23:14 gonna go learn enough budgeting you're

00:23:14 gonna go learn enough budgeting you're gonna learn about venue selection you're
00:23:16 gonna learn about venue selection you're

00:23:16 gonna learn about venue selection you're gonna learn about contracts for renting
00:23:18 gonna learn about contracts for renting

00:23:18 gonna learn about contracts for renting of space you're gonna learn all sorts of
00:23:20 of space you're gonna learn all sorts of

00:23:20 of space you're gonna learn all sorts of things on that to to plan your company's
00:23:23 things on that to to plan your company's

00:23:23 things on that to to plan your company's holiday party and that's project-based
00:23:25 holiday party and that's project-based

00:23:25 holiday party and that's project-based learning and we do it every single day
00:23:27 learning and we do it every single day

00:23:27 learning and we do it every single day we don't call it project-based learning
00:23:28 we don't call it project-based learning

00:23:28 we don't call it project-based learning we call it getting told to do something
00:23:30 we call it getting told to do something

00:23:30 we call it getting told to do something at work and and you're gonna pick up new
00:23:33 at work and and you're gonna pick up new

00:23:33 at work and and you're gonna pick up new skills all the time but in school we
00:23:34 skills all the time but in school we

00:23:34 skills all the time but in school we don't do things that way traditionally
00:23:36 don't do things that way traditionally

00:23:36 don't do things that way traditionally there would be a basic budgeting class
00:23:39 there would be a basic budgeting class

00:23:39 there would be a basic budgeting class that you would take first the kids are
00:23:40 that you would take first the kids are

00:23:40 that you would take first the kids are like why do I care about budgeting and
00:23:42 like why do I care about budgeting and

00:23:42 like why do I care about budgeting and and why do I care about event rental
00:23:46 and why do I care about event rental

00:23:46 and why do I care about event rental contracts and why do I care about all
00:23:47 contracts and why do I care about all

00:23:47 contracts and why do I care about all this oh well at the end of this you've
00:23:49 this oh well at the end of this you've

00:23:49 this oh well at the end of this you've got this capstone where you're gonna
00:23:51 got this capstone where you're gonna

00:23:51 got this capstone where you're gonna you're gonna plan a holiday party oh
00:23:53 you're gonna plan a holiday party oh

00:23:53 you're gonna plan a holiday party oh well if people told me that's gonna plan
00:23:54 well if people told me that's gonna plan

00:23:54 well if people told me that's gonna plan a holiday party for our classroom up
00:23:55 a holiday party for our classroom up

00:23:56 a holiday party for our classroom up front I would have learned this
00:23:57 front I would have learned this

00:23:57 front I would have learned this budgeting stuff and learned like how to
00:23:58 budgeting stuff and learned like how to

00:23:58 budgeting stuff and learned like how to maximize spending and on things that are
00:24:00 maximize spending and on things that are

00:24:00 maximize spending and on things that are gonna be fun at the party and and all of
00:24:02 gonna be fun at the party and and all of

00:24:02 gonna be fun at the party and and all of that so this is what project-based
00:24:04 that so this is what project-based

00:24:04 that so this is what project-based learning is about and that's
00:24:05 learning is about and that's

00:24:05 learning is about and that's interdisciplinary right there planning a
00:24:07 interdisciplinary right there planning a

00:24:07 interdisciplinary right there planning a holiday party it's not just one area of
00:24:10 holiday party it's not just one area of

00:24:10 holiday party it's not just one area of skills you're using from one class type
00:24:12 skills you're using from one class type

00:24:12 skills you're using from one class type you're using things from arts and
00:24:14 you're using things from arts and

00:24:14 you're using things from arts and culture and counting and finance and all
00:24:17 culture and counting and finance and all

00:24:17 culture and counting and finance and all the rest of that so
00:24:18 the rest of that so

00:24:18 the rest of that so these are the kind of things that we
00:24:20 these are the kind of things that we

00:24:20 these are the kind of things that we need to be teaching kids to get better
00:24:22 need to be teaching kids to get better

00:24:22 need to be teaching kids to get better at in school so that they're not
00:24:24 at in school so that they're not

00:24:24 at in school so that they're not learning it after they get on a college
00:24:26 learning it after they get on a college

00:24:26 learning it after they get on a college for the first time so we will be back
00:24:28 for the first time so we will be back

00:24:28 for the first time so we will be back after a news traffic and weather update
00:24:30 after a news traffic and weather update

00:24:30 after a news traffic and weather update here on 1200 WI you're listening to
00:24:32 here on 1200 WI you're listening to

00:24:32 here on 1200 WI you're listening to cyber talk radio and we are talking
00:24:34 cyber talk radio and we are talking

00:24:34 cyber talk radio and we are talking about steam education and some
00:24:36 about steam education and some

00:24:36 about steam education and some innovative things that are going on here
00:24:38 innovative things that are going on here

00:24:38 innovative things that are going on here and we're going to continue to deep dive
00:24:40 and we're going to continue to deep dive

00:24:40 and we're going to continue to deep dive into this after the break
00:24:41 into this after the break

00:24:41 into this after the break [Music]
00:25:04


00:25:04
welcome back to cyber talk radio I'm
00:25:07 welcome back to cyber talk radio I'm

00:25:07 welcome back to cyber talk radio I'm your host Bret Pyatt a 20-year internet
00:25:09 your host Bret Pyatt a 20-year internet

00:25:09 your host Bret Pyatt a 20-year internet security veteran that we're talking with
00:25:11 security veteran that we're talking with

00:25:11 security veteran that we're talking with the San Antonio and Baer stem and steam
00:25:14 the San Antonio and Baer stem and steam

00:25:14 the San Antonio and Baer stem and steam ecosystem sabes and I'm joined by two
00:25:17 ecosystem sabes and I'm joined by two

00:25:17 ecosystem sabes and I'm joined by two guests this week if you are just pickin
00:25:20 guests this week if you are just pickin

00:25:20 guests this week if you are just pickin this program up here after that news
00:25:22 this program up here after that news

00:25:22 this program up here after that news traffic and weather update you can
00:25:24 traffic and weather update you can

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00:25:26 listen to the first half of the program

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00:25:31 on our website at wwlp.com or on your

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00:25:32 favorite podcasting service or if you

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00:25:34 would like to look at a still photo of

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00:25:37 us while we discuss these topics you can

00:25:37 us while we discuss these topics you can pick us up on youtube as well so if you
00:25:39 pick us up on youtube as well so if you

00:25:39 pick us up on youtube as well so if you missed the first half of the program and
00:25:41 missed the first half of the program and

00:25:41 missed the first half of the program and wanted to learn some of their background
00:25:43 wanted to learn some of their background

00:25:43 wanted to learn some of their background in the background of the the sabbaths
00:25:45 in the background of the the sabbaths

00:25:45 in the background of the the sabbaths organization we covered that now if you
00:25:48 organization we covered that now if you

00:25:48 organization we covered that now if you stuck with us through that break we'd
00:25:50 stuck with us through that break we'd

00:25:50 stuck with us through that break we'd promised we were going to talk a little
00:25:52 promised we were going to talk a little

00:25:52 promised we were going to talk a little bit more about kind of this
00:25:53 bit more about kind of this

00:25:54 bit more about kind of this cross-disciplinary learning
00:25:55 cross-disciplinary learning

00:25:55 cross-disciplinary learning project-based learning and I'd ask to
00:25:56 project-based learning and I'd ask to

00:25:57 project-based learning and I'd ask to cliff for a brief answer before the
00:25:59 cliff for a brief answer before the

00:25:59 cliff for a brief answer before the break we're gonna dive into that but
00:26:01 break we're gonna dive into that but

00:26:01 break we're gonna dive into that but before we we get to that piece stem
00:26:05 before we we get to that piece stem

00:26:05 before we we get to that piece stem steam Rudy what's the difference between
00:26:07 steam Rudy what's the difference between

00:26:07 steam Rudy what's the difference between the two I mean other than what comes out
00:26:09 the two I mean other than what comes out

00:26:09 the two I mean other than what comes out of my teakettle a steam that's not what
00:26:11 of my teakettle a steam that's not what

00:26:11 of my teakettle a steam that's not what we're talking about you know stem stem
00:26:14 we're talking about you know stem stem

00:26:14 we're talking about you know stem stem has been around for a long time as a
00:26:15 has been around for a long time as a

00:26:15 has been around for a long time as a matter of fact it was coined by the
00:26:17 matter of fact it was coined by the

00:26:17 matter of fact it was coined by the National Science Foundation and they
00:26:19 National Science Foundation and they

00:26:19 National Science Foundation and they originally called its Met which is not
00:26:21 originally called its Met which is not

00:26:21 originally called its Met which is not very appealing so they've changed the
00:26:24 very appealing so they've changed the

00:26:24 very appealing so they've changed the acronym to stem eventually and and
00:26:26 acronym to stem eventually and and

00:26:26 acronym to stem eventually and and however steam is a you know more
00:26:28 however steam is a you know more

00:26:28 however steam is a you know more relatively newer approach it's really
00:26:31 relatively newer approach it's really

00:26:31 relatively newer approach it's really about integration it's gone you know
00:26:33 about integration it's gone you know

00:26:33 about integration it's gone you know curricula that really brings together
00:26:34 curricula that really brings together

00:26:34 curricula that really brings together you know the stem of course we know the
00:26:37 you know the stem of course we know the

00:26:37 you know the stem of course we know the the you know the science that the
00:26:39 the you know the science that the

00:26:39 the you know the science that the technology engineering now with art
00:26:42 technology engineering now with art

00:26:42 technology engineering now with art design art and design and the
00:26:44 design art and design and the

00:26:44 design art and design and the mathematics with the key again is we
00:26:45 mathematics with the key again is we

00:26:45 mathematics with the key again is we brought up for the others as well as for
00:26:47 brought up for the others as well as for

00:26:47 brought up for the others as well as for this now is the integration of those
00:26:49 this now is the integration of those

00:26:49 this now is the integration of those because what we're really seeing that
00:26:51 because what we're really seeing that

00:26:51 because what we're really seeing that they're starting to see more early
00:26:52 they're starting to see more early

00:26:52 they're starting to see more early research in that area that it really
00:26:54 research in that area that it really

00:26:54 research in that area that it really helps increase the social you know as
00:26:57 helps increase the social you know as

00:26:57 helps increase the social you know as well as a cognitive growth for kids so
00:26:59 well as a cognitive growth for kids so

00:26:59 well as a cognitive growth for kids so that they can in essence increase their
00:27:01 that they can in essence increase their

00:27:01 that they can in essence increase their create
00:27:02 create

00:27:02 create and innovative skills and it's also very
00:27:04 and innovative skills and it's also very

00:27:04 and innovative skills and it's also very important because what it does is it
00:27:06 important because what it does is it

00:27:06 important because what it does is it addresses what I you know have called
00:27:09 addresses what I you know have called

00:27:09 addresses what I you know have called critical skills which a lot of folks in
00:27:11 critical skills which a lot of folks in

00:27:11 critical skills which a lot of folks in the industry call soft skills yeah you
00:27:14 the industry call soft skills yeah you

00:27:14 the industry call soft skills yeah you know which are so critical the ability
00:27:17 know which are so critical the ability

00:27:17 know which are so critical the ability to present communicate the ability to
00:27:19 to present communicate the ability to

00:27:19 to present communicate the ability to write well the ability to you know work
00:27:22 write well the ability to you know work

00:27:22 write well the ability to you know work in teams you know the abetik the ability
00:27:25 in teams you know the abetik the ability

00:27:25 in teams you know the abetik the ability to collaborate a problem solve all those
00:27:27 to collaborate a problem solve all those

00:27:27 to collaborate a problem solve all those areas are so important to business and
00:27:31 areas are so important to business and

00:27:31 areas are so important to business and you know or any any area discipline that
00:27:34 you know or any any area discipline that

00:27:34 you know or any any area discipline that you're involved with and yet these are
00:27:37 you're involved with and yet these are

00:27:37 you're involved with and yet these are the kinds of things that are reinforced
00:27:39 the kinds of things that are reinforced

00:27:39 the kinds of things that are reinforced by steam as so that bringing that in to
00:27:43 by steam as so that bringing that in to

00:27:43 by steam as so that bringing that in to sort of speak the equation really really
00:27:46 sort of speak the equation really really

00:27:46 sort of speak the equation really really makes a really important opportunity for
00:27:49 makes a really important opportunity for

00:27:49 makes a really important opportunity for our kids because it also the research is
00:27:51 our kids because it also the research is

00:27:51 our kids because it also the research is showing when kids have that component
00:27:53 showing when kids have that component

00:27:53 showing when kids have that component they get more engaged with learning they
00:27:57 they get more engaged with learning they

00:27:57 they get more engaged with learning they are basically more and those getting
00:27:59 are basically more and those getting

00:27:59 are basically more and those getting into the depths of understanding and so
00:28:02 into the depths of understanding and so

00:28:02 into the depths of understanding and so it enables us especially for kids who
00:28:04 it enables us especially for kids who

00:28:04 it enables us especially for kids who have traditionally not been in those
00:28:06 have traditionally not been in those

00:28:06 have traditionally not been in those fields it really engages those students
00:28:09 fields it really engages those students

00:28:09 fields it really engages those students as well so there are a lot of benefits
00:28:11 as well so there are a lot of benefits

00:28:11 as well so there are a lot of benefits associated with that but it's a it's a
00:28:13 associated with that but it's a it's a

00:28:13 associated with that but it's a it's a newer approach to bringing together you
00:28:16 newer approach to bringing together you

00:28:16 newer approach to bringing together you know multiple areas so yeah we just
00:28:18 know multiple areas so yeah we just

00:28:18 know multiple areas so yeah we just wrapped up a summer internship program
00:28:21 wrapped up a summer internship program

00:28:21 wrapped up a summer internship program with high schoolers for the first time
00:28:24 with high schoolers for the first time

00:28:24 with high schoolers for the first time at my company and what we we had them
00:28:26 at my company and what we we had them

00:28:26 at my company and what we we had them working in groups of four and five all
00:28:28 working in groups of four and five all

00:28:28 working in groups of four and five all summer just like he would do it in your
00:28:31 summer just like he would do it in your

00:28:31 summer just like he would do it in your day job and they were analyzing stuff
00:28:34 day job and they were analyzing stuff

00:28:34 day job and they were analyzing stuff doing research for a week and then they
00:28:36 doing research for a week and then they

00:28:36 doing research for a week and then they were asked to give a fifteen minute long
00:28:38 were asked to give a fifteen minute long

00:28:38 were asked to give a fifteen minute long presentation at the end of each week of
00:28:39 presentation at the end of each week of

00:28:39 presentation at the end of each week of this internship so that's kind of like
00:28:41 this internship so that's kind of like

00:28:41 this internship so that's kind of like coming to your team meeting and
00:28:42 coming to your team meeting and

00:28:42 coming to your team meeting and disseminating and sharing that
00:28:43 disseminating and sharing that

00:28:43 disseminating and sharing that information in a 15-minute format and
00:28:45 information in a 15-minute format and

00:28:45 information in a 15-minute format and the first week because they don't ever
00:28:47 the first week because they don't ever

00:28:47 the first week because they don't ever do that type of stuff in class now I
00:28:50 do that type of stuff in class now I

00:28:50 do that type of stuff in class now I think the longest presentation was maybe
00:28:51 think the longest presentation was maybe

00:28:51 think the longest presentation was maybe seven minutes as everything is so rushed
00:28:54 seven minutes as everything is so rushed

00:28:54 seven minutes as everything is so rushed but in our work world the fifteen minute
00:28:56 but in our work world the fifteen minute

00:28:56 but in our work world the fifteen minute presentation to a team meeting nothing
00:28:58 presentation to a team meeting nothing

00:28:58 presentation to a team meeting nothing new 15 min 30 minute or hour long
00:29:00 new 15 min 30 minute or hour long

00:29:00 new 15 min 30 minute or hour long presentations all the time and you're
00:29:03 presentations all the time and you're

00:29:03 presentations all the time and you're you're we learn as adults to gather a
00:29:07 you're we learn as adults to gather a

00:29:07 you're we learn as adults to gather a bunch of research and information and
00:29:09 bunch of research and information and

00:29:09 bunch of research and information and distill it down to whatever that format
00:29:11 distill it down to whatever that format

00:29:11 distill it down to whatever that format is we're gonna share it back in whether
00:29:12 is we're gonna share it back in whether

00:29:12 is we're gonna share it back in whether it's 50 minutes here on the radio
00:29:14 it's 50 minutes here on the radio

00:29:14 it's 50 minutes here on the radio whether it's 15 minutes and a
00:29:16 whether it's 15 minutes and a

00:29:16 whether it's 15 minutes and a meeting that's nothing that they get
00:29:18 meeting that's nothing that they get

00:29:18 meeting that's nothing that they get exposed to in a day basis so by week
00:29:20 exposed to in a day basis so by week

00:29:20 exposed to in a day basis so by week four so we did we had broken it up into
00:29:22 four so we did we had broken it up into

00:29:22 four so we did we had broken it up into four separate research things so they
00:29:24 four separate research things so they

00:29:24 four separate research things so they each week did research on something and
00:29:27 each week did research on something and

00:29:27 each week did research on something and then move through the next phase by week
00:29:29 then move through the next phase by week

00:29:29 then move through the next phase by week four they were doing 15-minute
00:29:30 four they were doing 15-minute

00:29:30 four they were doing 15-minute presentations so kids can learn this
00:29:31 presentations so kids can learn this

00:29:31 presentations so kids can learn this stuff they can do these things and they
00:29:34 stuff they can do these things and they

00:29:34 stuff they can do these things and they they can learn these job skills and
00:29:36 they can learn these job skills and

00:29:36 they can learn these job skills and career skills and life skills in so it's
00:29:39 career skills and life skills in so it's

00:29:39 career skills and life skills in so it's not something you can't teach high
00:29:41 not something you can't teach high

00:29:41 not something you can't teach high school kids or high school kids are
00:29:42 school kids or high school kids are

00:29:42 school kids or high school kids are incapable of doing there's not given the
00:29:45 incapable of doing there's not given the

00:29:45 incapable of doing there's not given the opportunity right now so really set me
00:29:47 opportunity right now so really set me

00:29:47 opportunity right now so really set me up for one of my pet peeves yeah I'm
00:29:49 up for one of my pet peeves yeah I'm

00:29:49 up for one of my pet peeves yeah I'm gonna guess he did it on purpose but he
00:29:50 gonna guess he did it on purpose but he

00:29:50 gonna guess he did it on purpose but he called these the soft skills and I call
00:29:52 called these the soft skills and I call

00:29:52 called these the soft skills and I call them the so called soft skills because
00:29:54 them the so called soft skills because

00:29:54 them the so called soft skills because there's nothing soft about them there's
00:29:55 there's nothing soft about them there's

00:29:55 there's nothing soft about them there's nothing easy about them they're the
00:29:57 nothing easy about them they're the

00:29:57 nothing easy about them they're the hardest things for for students to learn
00:29:59 hardest things for for students to learn

00:29:59 hardest things for for students to learn and I think steam has a particular role
00:30:01 and I think steam has a particular role

00:30:01 and I think steam has a particular role to be able to make that learning
00:30:04 to be able to make that learning

00:30:04 to be able to make that learning accessible to students I'd also love to
00:30:07 accessible to students I'd also love to

00:30:07 accessible to students I'd also love to mention a project that I worked on a few
00:30:09 mention a project that I worked on a few

00:30:09 mention a project that I worked on a few years ago that became a steam project
00:30:12 years ago that became a steam project

00:30:12 years ago that became a steam project even though it started as stem and I
00:30:15 even though it started as stem and I

00:30:15 even though it started as stem and I mentioned in the first segment that I
00:30:17 mentioned in the first segment that I

00:30:17 mentioned in the first segment that I get to travel a little bit so I was in
00:30:18 get to travel a little bit so I was in

00:30:18 get to travel a little bit so I was in Columbia working on a year-long project
00:30:21 Columbia working on a year-long project

00:30:21 Columbia working on a year-long project in Medi in Columbia by the way which a
00:30:24 in Medi in Columbia by the way which a

00:30:24 in Medi in Columbia by the way which a lot of people hear that and they think
00:30:26 lot of people hear that and they think

00:30:26 lot of people hear that and they think hmmm they wants narcos but that's not
00:30:27 hmmm they wants narcos but that's not

00:30:27 hmmm they wants narcos but that's not like anymore the 2012 Citibank Wall
00:30:30 like anymore the 2012 Citibank Wall

00:30:30 like anymore the 2012 Citibank Wall Street Journal innovative city of the
00:30:32 Street Journal innovative city of the

00:30:32 Street Journal innovative city of the year yeah and you know so that that's
00:30:34 year yeah and you know so that that's

00:30:34 year yeah and you know so that that's what the city is like and we were
00:30:36 what the city is like and we were

00:30:36 what the city is like and we were working on an integrated stem and
00:30:38 working on an integrated stem and

00:30:38 working on an integrated stem and economic development program we had
00:30:39 economic development program we had

00:30:39 economic development program we had gathered many of the leaders of the city
00:30:41 gathered many of the leaders of the city

00:30:41 gathered many of the leaders of the city to plan the program and they came back
00:30:43 to plan the program and they came back

00:30:43 to plan the program and they came back after what we called the opening
00:30:45 after what we called the opening

00:30:45 after what we called the opening symposium and said we don't want stem we
00:30:47 symposium and said we don't want stem we

00:30:47 symposium and said we don't want stem we want steam that was their decision not
00:30:50 want steam that was their decision not

00:30:50 want steam that was their decision not ours and and it had something to do with
00:30:53 ours and and it had something to do with

00:30:53 ours and and it had something to do with the history and culture of the city but
00:30:55 the history and culture of the city but

00:30:55 the history and culture of the city but I think it also had to do with the level
00:30:56 I think it also had to do with the level

00:30:56 I think it also had to do with the level of energy and the dynamism that happens
00:30:58 of energy and the dynamism that happens

00:30:58 of energy and the dynamism that happens in a steam program and it was a lesson
00:31:01 in a steam program and it was a lesson

00:31:01 in a steam program and it was a lesson for me to see that happen and to see
00:31:04 for me to see that happen and to see

00:31:04 for me to see that happen and to see them make that choice it wasn't our
00:31:05 them make that choice it wasn't our

00:31:05 them make that choice it wasn't our choice it was Louis you know the the
00:31:07 choice it was Louis you know the the

00:31:07 choice it was Louis you know the the other you know when you look at our the
00:31:09 other you know when you look at our the

00:31:09 other you know when you look at our the name of our ecosystem it is stem very
00:31:11 name of our ecosystem it is stem very

00:31:11 name of our ecosystem it is stem very explicitly slash steam and and again I
00:31:14 explicitly slash steam and and again I

00:31:14 explicitly slash steam and and again I remember when we had early conversations
00:31:16 remember when we had early conversations

00:31:16 remember when we had early conversations you know what should we name ours we
00:31:19 you know what should we name ours we

00:31:19 you know what should we name ours we weren't quite sure and then something
00:31:21 weren't quite sure and then something

00:31:21 weren't quite sure and then something happened we we were made aware and we
00:31:23 happened we we were made aware and we

00:31:23 happened we we were made aware and we connected with a young woman here in our
00:31:26 connected with a young woman here in our

00:31:26 connected with a young woman here in our community Nadia bottom who is an
00:31:30 community Nadia bottom who is an

00:31:30 community Nadia bottom who is an internationally recognized steam person
00:31:34 internationally recognized steam person

00:31:34 internationally recognized steam person she's an engineer and an artist and
00:31:36 she's an engineer and an artist and

00:31:36 she's an engineer and an artist and helped us really understand more about
00:31:39 helped us really understand more about

00:31:39 helped us really understand more about you know what this really meant and why
00:31:40 you know what this really meant and why

00:31:41 you know what this really meant and why it was important because I know there
00:31:42 it was important because I know there

00:31:42 it was important because I know there are foundations for example that key on
00:31:45 are foundations for example that key on

00:31:45 are foundations for example that key on stem and that's important for them for
00:31:47 stem and that's important for them for

00:31:47 stem and that's important for them for their for their needs and so forth
00:31:49 their for their needs and so forth

00:31:49 their for their needs and so forth however you know we have a large number
00:31:52 however you know we have a large number

00:31:52 however you know we have a large number of steam programs already in our city
00:31:54 of steam programs already in our city

00:31:54 of steam programs already in our city you know you have the urban 15 they've
00:31:56 you know you have the urban 15 they've

00:31:56 you know you have the urban 15 they've trained over 65,000 since nineteen you
00:31:59 trained over 65,000 since nineteen you

00:31:59 trained over 65,000 since nineteen you know eighty-six students here in our
00:32:02 know eighty-six students here in our

00:32:02 know eighty-six students here in our city and expose them to technology
00:32:04 city and expose them to technology

00:32:04 city and expose them to technology there's a there's a program was looking
00:32:06 there's a there's a program was looking

00:32:06 there's a there's a program was looking at this kind of really interesting acute
00:32:08 at this kind of really interesting acute

00:32:08 at this kind of really interesting acute it's called math through mariachi and
00:32:11 it's called math through mariachi and

00:32:11 it's called math through mariachi and what it does is it teaches students
00:32:13 what it does is it teaches students

00:32:13 what it does is it teaches students fractions
00:32:14 fractions

00:32:14 fractions basically through through that process
00:32:16 basically through through that process

00:32:16 basically through through that process as well as geometry through the Mexican
00:32:18 as well as geometry through the Mexican

00:32:18 as well as geometry through the Mexican tile you know a practical application of
00:32:21 tile you know a practical application of

00:32:21 tile you know a practical application of mathematics is music and so you're
00:32:23 mathematics is music and so you're

00:32:23 mathematics is music and so you're getting the if you can't do math you
00:32:25 getting the if you can't do math you

00:32:26 getting the if you can't do math you can't play music very well and even if
00:32:28 can't play music very well and even if

00:32:28 can't play music very well and even if you're playing music you're doing math
00:32:30 you're playing music you're doing math

00:32:30 you're playing music you're doing math even you may not realize it so this is a
00:32:34 even you may not realize it so this is a

00:32:34 even you may not realize it so this is a one done just tied in to this so there's
00:32:36 one done just tied in to this so there's

00:32:36 one done just tied in to this so there's no star test on any of the arts stuff
00:32:40 no star test on any of the arts stuff

00:32:40 no star test on any of the arts stuff how do you how do we convince
00:32:42 how do you how do we convince

00:32:42 how do you how do we convince superintendents principals teachers that
00:32:45 superintendents principals teachers that

00:32:45 superintendents principals teachers that including arts and arts education is
00:32:47 including arts and arts education is

00:32:47 including arts and arts education is going to actually increase their test
00:32:49 going to actually increase their test

00:32:49 going to actually increase their test scores across the areas where they are
00:32:50 scores across the areas where they are

00:32:50 scores across the areas where they are getting measured
00:32:51 getting measured

00:32:51 getting measured well there's always you know one of the
00:32:53 well there's always you know one of the

00:32:53 well there's always you know one of the most difficult things for teachers bless
00:32:55 most difficult things for teachers bless

00:32:55 most difficult things for teachers bless your hearts is um you know their people
00:32:57 your hearts is um you know their people

00:32:57 your hearts is um you know their people will do what you know they're rewarded
00:32:59 will do what you know they're rewarded

00:32:59 will do what you know they're rewarded for and obviously they're rewarded you
00:33:00 for and obviously they're rewarded you

00:33:00 for and obviously they're rewarded you to have test scores go up and graduation
00:33:04 to have test scores go up and graduation

00:33:04 to have test scores go up and graduation rates and test scores yep and they're so
00:33:05 rates and test scores yep and they're so

00:33:05 rates and test scores yep and they're so pushed by that that they basically have
00:33:07 pushed by that that they basically have

00:33:08 pushed by that that they basically have to react to it so you're you ask a very
00:33:11 to react to it so you're you ask a very

00:33:11 to react to it so you're you ask a very important question and it's a difficult
00:33:13 important question and it's a difficult

00:33:13 important question and it's a difficult one because it's going to take time to
00:33:15 one because it's going to take time to

00:33:15 one because it's going to take time to help you know address that now one of
00:33:17 help you know address that now one of

00:33:17 help you know address that now one of the places where you can really make a
00:33:19 the places where you can really make a

00:33:20 the places where you can really make a difference which is another reason why
00:33:21 difference which is another reason why

00:33:21 difference which is another reason why this ecosystem is so important is
00:33:22 this ecosystem is so important is

00:33:22 this ecosystem is so important is without a school time without a school
00:33:25 without a school time without a school

00:33:25 without a school time without a school time opportunities you know we have
00:33:27 time opportunities you know we have

00:33:27 time opportunities you know we have Excel beyond the bell in San Antonio
00:33:28 Excel beyond the bell in San Antonio

00:33:28 Excel beyond the bell in San Antonio this part of p16 plus that really
00:33:31 this part of p16 plus that really

00:33:31 this part of p16 plus that really provides an opportunity for 40-plus
00:33:33 provides an opportunity for 40-plus

00:33:33 provides an opportunity for 40-plus organizations to come together and now
00:33:36 organizations to come together and now

00:33:36 organizations to come together and now to they're part of our ecosystem as well
00:33:39 to they're part of our ecosystem as well

00:33:39 to they're part of our ecosystem as well to integrate what they're doing
00:33:40 to integrate what they're doing

00:33:40 to integrate what they're doing particularly in STEM education and so we
00:33:42 particularly in STEM education and so we

00:33:42 particularly in STEM education and so we are able to hopefully really take as
00:33:45 are able to hopefully really take as

00:33:45 are able to hopefully really take as much as we can out of school time
00:33:47 much as we can out of school time

00:33:47 much as we can out of school time weekend summers evenings because really
00:33:49 weekend summers evenings because really

00:33:49 weekend summers evenings because really no one watches that so to speak it's
00:33:52 no one watches that so to speak it's

00:33:52 no one watches that so to speak it's something that you know is out there and
00:33:54 something that you know is out there and

00:33:54 something that you know is out there and and can be leveraged while we take the
00:33:57 and can be leveraged while we take the

00:33:57 and can be leveraged while we take the time to really show the value of you
00:33:59 time to really show the value of you

00:33:59 time to really show the value of you know being able to you know involve
00:34:01 know being able to you know involve

00:34:01 know being able to you know involve these other areas so that educators are
00:34:04 these other areas so that educators are

00:34:04 these other areas so that educators are able to really trust more that it is
00:34:09 able to really trust more that it is

00:34:09 able to really trust more that it is okay for kids to solve and learn how to
00:34:11 okay for kids to solve and learn how to

00:34:11 okay for kids to solve and learn how to solve problems and work on relative
00:34:13 solve problems and work on relative

00:34:13 solve problems and work on relative irrelevant issues and instead of just
00:34:16 irrelevant issues and instead of just

00:34:16 irrelevant issues and instead of just having to take a test and practice tests
00:34:18 having to take a test and practice tests

00:34:18 having to take a test and practice tests to be able to do well on a test because
00:34:20 to be able to do well on a test because

00:34:20 to be able to do well on a test because if you understand how to solve and think
00:34:22 if you understand how to solve and think

00:34:23 if you understand how to solve and think if you can think you'll do well on any
00:34:25 if you can think you'll do well on any

00:34:25 if you can think you'll do well on any test but it's just hard to get over that
00:34:27 test but it's just hard to get over that

00:34:27 test but it's just hard to get over that you know um I think that starts with us
00:34:30 you know um I think that starts with us

00:34:30 you know um I think that starts with us as citizens yeah and I think I mentioned
00:34:33 as citizens yeah and I think I mentioned

00:34:33 as citizens yeah and I think I mentioned earlier as taxpayers we want to know
00:34:35 earlier as taxpayers we want to know

00:34:35 earlier as taxpayers we want to know that the education we're delivering
00:34:36 that the education we're delivering

00:34:36 that the education we're delivering works and and I think that's very
00:34:39 works and and I think that's very

00:34:39 works and and I think that's very appropriate we should we should have
00:34:40 appropriate we should we should have

00:34:40 appropriate we should we should have that kind of accountability but you know
00:34:43 that kind of accountability but you know

00:34:43 that kind of accountability but you know if we want this kind of education to be
00:34:45 if we want this kind of education to be

00:34:45 if we want this kind of education to be more in our schools we as citizens have
00:34:47 more in our schools we as citizens have

00:34:47 more in our schools we as citizens have to speak up but you know what we're
00:34:48 to speak up but you know what we're

00:34:48 to speak up but you know what we're doing right here is important the
00:34:50 doing right here is important the

00:34:50 doing right here is important the personal lesson I've learned is watching
00:34:51 personal lesson I've learned is watching

00:34:51 personal lesson I've learned is watching my son go through band I was not a band
00:34:54 my son go through band I was not a band

00:34:54 my son go through band I was not a band geek but I have watched what my son has
00:34:56 geek but I have watched what my son has

00:34:56 geek but I have watched what my son has learned in the soft skills by being a
00:35:00 learned in the soft skills by being a

00:35:00 learned in the soft skills by being a member of the band in particular he was
00:35:02 member of the band in particular he was

00:35:02 member of the band in particular he was a percussionist but and you know but
00:35:05 a percussionist but and you know but

00:35:05 a percussionist but and you know but that that doesn't matter any of those
00:35:07 that that doesn't matter any of those

00:35:07 that that doesn't matter any of those those roles in the band he has learned
00:35:09 those roles in the band he has learned

00:35:09 those roles in the band he has learned so much and and has engaged in life I
00:35:13 so much and and has engaged in life I

00:35:13 so much and and has engaged in life I mean he's on a big tour right now is
00:35:14 mean he's on a big tour right now is

00:35:14 mean he's on a big tour right now is what you know I was a college student
00:35:15 what you know I was a college student

00:35:15 what you know I was a college student you know and a per you know drumline
00:35:18 you know and a per you know drumline

00:35:18 you know and a per you know drumline tour and and I just see how much he's
00:35:21 tour and and I just see how much he's

00:35:21 tour and and I just see how much he's learned and we have to value that we
00:35:23 learned and we have to value that we

00:35:23 learned and we have to value that we gotta let us know and I really you know
00:35:27 gotta let us know and I really you know

00:35:27 gotta let us know and I really you know second that as well I wasn't bad when I
00:35:29 second that as well I wasn't bad when I

00:35:29 second that as well I wasn't bad when I was younger I didn't realize this till
00:35:31 was younger I didn't realize this till

00:35:31 was younger I didn't realize this till much much later in life but music is
00:35:33 much much later in life but music is

00:35:33 much much later in life but music is mathematics and so you know that there's
00:35:36 mathematics and so you know that there's

00:35:36 mathematics and so you know that there's a strong connection again with the arts
00:35:38 a strong connection again with the arts

00:35:38 a strong connection again with the arts and you know being able to develop
00:35:40 and you know being able to develop

00:35:40 and you know being able to develop another part of a brain which helps in
00:35:43 another part of a brain which helps in

00:35:43 another part of a brain which helps in essence the entire you know the whole
00:35:45 essence the entire you know the whole

00:35:45 essence the entire you know the whole student so again those are the kinds of
00:35:47 student so again those are the kinds of

00:35:47 student so again those are the kinds of things that we really need to continue
00:35:49 things that we really need to continue

00:35:49 things that we really need to continue and why it's important you know for this
00:35:51 and why it's important you know for this

00:35:51 and why it's important you know for this theme park yeah so is we've we've got
00:35:55 theme park yeah so is we've we've got

00:35:55 theme park yeah so is we've we've got this stuff going on across San Antonio
00:35:56 this stuff going on across San Antonio

00:35:56 this stuff going on across San Antonio but clearly you're also involved in si
00:35:58 but clearly you're also involved in si

00:35:58 but clearly you're also involved in si smart so we have what is what does that
00:36:01 smart so we have what is what does that

00:36:01 smart so we have what is what does that one does that help us here in any of the
00:36:02 one does that help us here in any of the

00:36:02 one does that help us here in any of the conversations were having right now I
00:36:04 conversations were having right now I

00:36:04 conversations were having right now I sure hope so
00:36:04 sure hope so

00:36:04 sure hope so okay so si smart I introduced it briefly
00:36:08 okay so si smart I introduced it briefly

00:36:08 okay so si smart I introduced it briefly earlier it's also an initiative that is
00:36:12 earlier it's also an initiative that is

00:36:12 earlier it's also an initiative that is supported by the mayor's office I would
00:36:13 supported by the mayor's office I would

00:36:13 supported by the mayor's office I would say was it was developed somewhat in
00:36:15 say was it was developed somewhat in

00:36:15 say was it was developed somewhat in parallel actually to go back to the
00:36:17 parallel actually to go back to the

00:36:17 parallel actually to go back to the beginning I'm on the board at systemic
00:36:20 beginning I'm on the board at systemic

00:36:20 beginning I'm on the board at systemic which I think was mentioned earlier and
00:36:22 which I think was mentioned earlier and

00:36:22 which I think was mentioned earlier and and we had the good fortune to have
00:36:23 and we had the good fortune to have

00:36:23 and we had the good fortune to have councilman Nurenberg come to an event at
00:36:27 councilman Nurenberg come to an event at

00:36:27 councilman Nurenberg come to an event at Samsa the San Antonio Museum of Science
00:36:29 Samsa the San Antonio Museum of Science

00:36:29 Samsa the San Antonio Museum of Science and Technology yeah and you want to
00:36:31 and Technology yeah and you want to

00:36:31 and Technology yeah and you want to learn more about Sam set or systemic you
00:36:33 learn more about Sam set or systemic you

00:36:33 learn more about Sam set or systemic you can pull us cyber talk radio up on
00:36:36 can pull us cyber talk radio up on

00:36:36 can pull us cyber talk radio up on iTunes your favorite podcasting service
00:36:38 iTunes your favorite podcasting service

00:36:38 iTunes your favorite podcasting service we've had guests on from both Sam sat
00:36:40 we've had guests on from both Sam sat

00:36:40 we've had guests on from both Sam sat and systemic where we covered those in
00:36:43 and systemic where we covered those in

00:36:43 and systemic where we covered those in details great learning there and it's
00:36:45 details great learning there and it's

00:36:45 details great learning there and it's just yet more of the many things that we
00:36:47 just yet more of the many things that we

00:36:47 just yet more of the many things that we have going on here to try to tackle this
00:36:49 have going on here to try to tackle this

00:36:49 have going on here to try to tackle this challenge in the city well there's so
00:36:50 challenge in the city well there's so

00:36:50 challenge in the city well there's so many of them and and seeing them work
00:36:52 many of them and and seeing them work

00:36:52 many of them and and seeing them work together so we so we had councilman
00:36:53 together so we so we had councilman

00:36:53 together so we so we had councilman nürnberg out and that started a very
00:36:55 nürnberg out and that started a very

00:36:55 nürnberg out and that started a very kind of slow-moving conversation about
00:36:57 kind of slow-moving conversation about

00:36:57 kind of slow-moving conversation about what we might do in the in the stem area
00:37:00 what we might do in the in the stem area

00:37:00 what we might do in the in the stem area and and many people contributed to this
00:37:03 and and many people contributed to this

00:37:03 and and many people contributed to this for me where it really crystallized I
00:37:06 for me where it really crystallized I

00:37:06 for me where it really crystallized I was on another one of those trips I was
00:37:08 was on another one of those trips I was

00:37:08 was on another one of those trips I was in Delhi the day that our country pulled
00:37:11 in Delhi the day that our country pulled

00:37:11 in Delhi the day that our country pulled out of the climate agreement and I was
00:37:12 out of the climate agreement and I was

00:37:12 out of the climate agreement and I was on the 20th floor of a hotel looking at
00:37:15 on the 20th floor of a hotel looking at

00:37:15 on the 20th floor of a hotel looking at what was essentially you know a horrible
00:37:18 what was essentially you know a horrible

00:37:19 what was essentially you know a horrible you know smog alert going on which is
00:37:21 you know smog alert going on which is

00:37:21 you know smog alert going on which is basically you know four out of five days
00:37:23 basically you know four out of five days

00:37:23 basically you know four out of five days in Delhi or something like that and just
00:37:25 in Delhi or something like that and just

00:37:25 in Delhi or something like that and just something about that moment crystallized
00:37:27 something about that moment crystallized

00:37:27 something about that moment crystallized the idea that we ought to be using these
00:37:29 the idea that we ought to be using these

00:37:29 the idea that we ought to be using these challenges and in whatever city we
00:37:31 challenges and in whatever city we

00:37:31 challenges and in whatever city we happen to live them to advance are not
00:37:34 happen to live them to advance are not

00:37:34 happen to live them to advance are not our students knowledge of stem and steam
00:37:36 our students knowledge of stem and steam

00:37:36 our students knowledge of stem and steam and you know all these topics we've been
00:37:38 and you know all these topics we've been

00:37:38 and you know all these topics we've been talking about so that led to this
00:37:42 talking about so that led to this

00:37:42 talking about so that led to this initiative called sa smart the mayor's
00:37:44 initiative called sa smart the mayor's

00:37:44 initiative called sa smart the mayor's k-12 Smart City challenge where we're
00:37:46 k-12 Smart City challenge where we're

00:37:46 k-12 Smart City challenge where we're taking the topics that are in the SA
00:37:48 taking the topics that are in the SA

00:37:48 taking the topics that are in the SA tomorrow plan that has been developed by
00:37:51 tomorrow plan that has been developed by

00:37:51 tomorrow plan that has been developed by our city leaders to help us basically
00:37:54 our city leaders to help us basically

00:37:54 our city leaders to help us basically move us toward 2040 and to use those
00:37:57 move us toward 2040 and to use those

00:37:57 move us toward 2040 and to use those challenges as challenges for students to
00:38:01 challenges as challenges for students to

00:38:01 challenges as challenges for students to to bring them in and the research you
00:38:03 to bring them in and the research you

00:38:03 to bring them in and the research you you know we were talking briefly early
00:38:05 you know we were talking briefly early

00:38:05 you know we were talking briefly early about the research that you had your
00:38:07 about the research that you had your

00:38:07 about the research that you had your students do in a jungle your interns at
00:38:11 students do in a jungle your interns at

00:38:11 students do in a jungle your interns at jungle discs so we had them do research
00:38:12 jungle discs so we had them do research

00:38:12 jungle discs so we had them do research we had them do a pitch and then we had
00:38:14 we had them do a pitch and then we had

00:38:14 we had them do a pitch and then we had the mayor give the mayor's cup for this
00:38:16 the mayor give the mayor's cup for this

00:38:16 the mayor give the mayor's cup for this for this award and so to me this is an
00:38:19 for this award and so to me this is an

00:38:19 for this award and so to me this is an one example of many things that are part
00:38:22 one example of many things that are part

00:38:22 one example of many things that are part of Savas and but meanwhile we'd love for
00:38:27 of Savas and but meanwhile we'd love for

00:38:27 of Savas and but meanwhile we'd love for others to be involved and you can go to
00:38:28 others to be involved and you can go to

00:38:28 others to be involved and you can go to si - smart Oh RG if you'd like to learn
00:38:32 si - smart Oh RG if you'd like to learn

00:38:32 si - smart Oh RG if you'd like to learn more about what we're doing in the si
00:38:33 more about what we're doing in the si

00:38:33 more about what we're doing in the si smart program so we promise those that
00:38:37 smart program so we promise those that

00:38:37 smart program so we promise those that have stuck with us here through the
00:38:38 have stuck with us here through the

00:38:38 have stuck with us here through the break I was we were gonna get some more
00:38:39 break I was we were gonna get some more

00:38:39 break I was we were gonna get some more into so Elementary School we're doing
00:38:41 into so Elementary School we're doing

00:38:41 into so Elementary School we're doing well you have a teacher that has the
00:38:43 well you have a teacher that has the

00:38:43 well you have a teacher that has the ability to teach cross discipline to
00:38:47 ability to teach cross discipline to

00:38:47 ability to teach cross discipline to potentially do project-based learning
00:38:49 potentially do project-based learning

00:38:49 potentially do project-based learning it's like hey kids we're gonna do this
00:38:52 it's like hey kids we're gonna do this

00:38:52 it's like hey kids we're gonna do this thing and and it's gonna then they can
00:38:55 thing and and it's gonna then they can

00:38:55 thing and and it's gonna then they can mix in all sorts of different curriculum
00:38:58 mix in all sorts of different curriculum

00:38:58 mix in all sorts of different curriculum areas into that lesson as we get up in
00:39:00 areas into that lesson as we get up in

00:39:00 areas into that lesson as we get up in the middle school in high school we've
00:39:02 the middle school in high school we've

00:39:02 the middle school in high school we've divided teachers off into specialties
00:39:04 divided teachers off into specialties

00:39:04 divided teachers off into specialties we've told students that you learn
00:39:06 we've told students that you learn

00:39:06 we've told students that you learn biology separate from math you learn
00:39:08 biology separate from math you learn

00:39:08 biology separate from math you learn physics separate from math class which
00:39:11 physics separate from math class which

00:39:11 physics separate from math class which is a little bit crazy to me but I mean
00:39:13 is a little bit crazy to me but I mean

00:39:13 is a little bit crazy to me but I mean that's the way we teach stuff now and
00:39:14 that's the way we teach stuff now and

00:39:14 that's the way we teach stuff now and this way I learned it that I think we're
00:39:17 this way I learned it that I think we're

00:39:17 this way I learned it that I think we're now coming to the realization this may
00:39:18 now coming to the realization this may

00:39:18 now coming to the realization this may not be the right thing to do how how do
00:39:21 not be the right thing to do how how do

00:39:21 not be the right thing to do how how do how does this evolve inside of the
00:39:24 how does this evolve inside of the

00:39:24 how does this evolve inside of the schools to kind of reverse this trend or
00:39:27 schools to kind of reverse this trend or

00:39:27 schools to kind of reverse this trend or get teachers collaborating with each
00:39:29 get teachers collaborating with each

00:39:29 get teachers collaborating with each other well again when we look at your
00:39:31 other well again when we look at your

00:39:31 other well again when we look at your reason to be involved with this
00:39:33 reason to be involved with this

00:39:33 reason to be involved with this ecosystem one of the things that they
00:39:35 ecosystem one of the things that they

00:39:35 ecosystem one of the things that they really focus on Brett is you know in
00:39:38 really focus on Brett is you know in

00:39:38 really focus on Brett is you know in essence multidisciplinary
00:39:40 essence multidisciplinary

00:39:40 essence multidisciplinary interdisciplinary being very key which
00:39:42 interdisciplinary being very key which

00:39:42 interdisciplinary being very key which is important from what you're bringing
00:39:44 is important from what you're bringing

00:39:44 is important from what you're bringing up you know break those down those silos
00:39:46 up you know break those down those silos

00:39:46 up you know break those down those silos is one and then looking at you know how
00:39:49 is one and then looking at you know how

00:39:49 is one and then looking at you know how have others successfully move that
00:39:51 have others successfully move that

00:39:51 have others successfully move that forward but the other area that has not
00:39:54 forward but the other area that has not

00:39:54 forward but the other area that has not been necessarily even it's even more
00:39:57 been necessarily even it's even more

00:39:57 been necessarily even it's even more complicated is a cross sector which
00:39:59 complicated is a cross sector which

00:39:59 complicated is a cross sector which means really how do we if you have a
00:40:02 means really how do we if you have a

00:40:02 means really how do we if you have a program that's successful that for
00:40:04 program that's successful that for

00:40:04 program that's successful that for example is taking place outside of
00:40:06 example is taking place outside of

00:40:06 example is taking place outside of school how do we connect that program
00:40:08 school how do we connect that program

00:40:08 school how do we connect that program with what's taking place in the
00:40:10 with what's taking place in the

00:40:10 with what's taking place in the classroom how do we connect that with
00:40:11 classroom how do we connect that with

00:40:11 classroom how do we connect that with what's taking place in business and that
00:40:14 what's taking place in business and that

00:40:14 what's taking place in business and that is going to take a different level of
00:40:16 is going to take a different level of

00:40:16 is going to take a different level of energy a different level it's a
00:40:18 energy a different level it's a

00:40:18 energy a different level it's a different level of complex
00:40:19 different level of complex

00:40:19 different level of complex to address that because that's where you
00:40:21 to address that because that's where you

00:40:21 to address that because that's where you really start connecting you know these
00:40:24 really start connecting you know these

00:40:24 really start connecting you know these different disciplines more directly
00:40:26 different disciplines more directly

00:40:26 different disciplines more directly together so that it even takes what
00:40:28 together so that it even takes what

00:40:28 together so that it even takes what you're bringing up to another level
00:40:30 you're bringing up to another level

00:40:30 you're bringing up to another level yeah because of the you know that
00:40:32 yeah because of the you know that

00:40:32 yeah because of the you know that opportunity to bring students up you
00:40:34 opportunity to bring students up you

00:40:34 opportunity to bring students up you know at in in a relevant up you know
00:40:37 know at in in a relevant up you know

00:40:37 know at in in a relevant up you know world in terms of you know the business
00:40:39 world in terms of you know the business

00:40:39 world in terms of you know the business and in an understanding how all these
00:40:41 and in an understanding how all these

00:40:41 and in an understanding how all these topics come together and you also
00:40:43 topics come together and you also

00:40:43 topics come together and you also mention Elementary School one of the
00:40:45 mention Elementary School one of the

00:40:45 mention Elementary School one of the things that we also need to do at the
00:40:47 things that we also need to do at the

00:40:47 things that we also need to do at the elementary level is strengthen the
00:40:50 elementary level is strengthen the

00:40:50 elementary level is strengthen the teachers in terms of their technology
00:40:52 teachers in terms of their technology

00:40:52 teachers in terms of their technology knowledge and so forth to really may
00:40:55 knowledge and so forth to really may

00:40:55 knowledge and so forth to really may take advantage of the fact that they can
00:40:56 take advantage of the fact that they can

00:40:56 take advantage of the fact that they can get involved with cross-disciplinary you
00:40:59 get involved with cross-disciplinary you

00:40:59 get involved with cross-disciplinary you know interdisciplinary in essence work
00:41:01 know interdisciplinary in essence work

00:41:01 know interdisciplinary in essence work that takes place so there's I think
00:41:03 that takes place so there's I think

00:41:03 that takes place so there's I think those kinds of you know opportunities
00:41:05 those kinds of you know opportunities

00:41:05 those kinds of you know opportunities and best practices that we can apply to
00:41:07 and best practices that we can apply to

00:41:07 and best practices that we can apply to help our own education system move
00:41:09 help our own education system move

00:41:09 help our own education system move forward you know already was writing I
00:41:12 forward you know already was writing I

00:41:12 forward you know already was writing I wrote down four or five things that you
00:41:15 wrote down four or five things that you

00:41:15 wrote down four or five things that you know this is a complex problem to be so
00:41:19 know this is a complex problem to be so

00:41:19 know this is a complex problem to be so not gonna solve it in 50 minutes on the
00:41:20 not gonna solve it in 50 minutes on the

00:41:20 not gonna solve it in 50 minutes on the radio we're not an or or in a year and
00:41:22 radio we're not an or or in a year and

00:41:22 radio we're not an or or in a year and or maybe five or ten even yes
00:41:24 or maybe five or ten even yes

00:41:24 or maybe five or ten even yes generational thing so one is teacher
00:41:26 generational thing so one is teacher

00:41:26 generational thing so one is teacher training you know right now we train
00:41:28 training you know right now we train

00:41:28 training you know right now we train teachers to teach individual classes
00:41:30 teachers to teach individual classes

00:41:30 teachers to teach individual classes much more than we do to do project-based
00:41:32 much more than we do to do project-based

00:41:32 much more than we do to do project-based learning there are many programs out
00:41:33 learning there are many programs out

00:41:33 learning there are many programs out there that actually restrict teachers
00:41:35 there that actually restrict teachers

00:41:35 there that actually restrict teachers from teaching things that they haven't
00:41:37 from teaching things that they haven't

00:41:37 from teaching things that they haven't gotten a special certification in so
00:41:39 gotten a special certification in so

00:41:39 gotten a special certification in so that's that that's correct and and I
00:41:41 that's that that's correct and and I

00:41:41 that's that that's correct and and I think we also don't respect teachers as
00:41:44 think we also don't respect teachers as

00:41:44 think we also don't respect teachers as professionals sufficiently to give them
00:41:46 professionals sufficiently to give them

00:41:46 professionals sufficiently to give them room to close the door and do that what
00:41:48 room to close the door and do that what

00:41:48 room to close the door and do that what they know will work the second is school
00:41:50 they know will work the second is school

00:41:50 they know will work the second is school structure you hit it
00:41:52 structure you hit it

00:41:52 structure you hit it elementary school supports it more than
00:41:54 elementary school supports it more than

00:41:54 elementary school supports it more than middle or high school does you look at
00:41:56 middle or high school does you look at

00:41:56 middle or high school does you look at schools that are working on this STEM
00:41:58 schools that are working on this STEM

00:41:58 schools that are working on this STEM Academy as you look at the cast schools
00:42:01 Academy as you look at the cast schools

00:42:01 Academy as you look at the cast schools right and and they are changing their
00:42:03 right and and they are changing their

00:42:03 right and and they are changing their structured more of a block structure
00:42:05 structured more of a block structure

00:42:05 structured more of a block structure where they you have more time in a class
00:42:08 where they you have more time in a class

00:42:08 where they you have more time in a class so that you can engage more deeply you
00:42:10 so that you can engage more deeply you

00:42:10 so that you can engage more deeply you have time for teachers to work together
00:42:12 have time for teachers to work together

00:42:12 have time for teachers to work together to Co plan and so so forth principals
00:42:15 to Co plan and so so forth principals

00:42:15 to Co plan and so so forth principals educational administrators are essential
00:42:18 educational administrators are essential

00:42:18 educational administrators are essential to this you you as an individual teacher
00:42:20 to this you you as an individual teacher

00:42:20 to this you you as an individual teacher there's only so much that you can do
00:42:22 there's only so much that you can do

00:42:22 there's only so much that you can do within the structure that you've been
00:42:24 within the structure that you've been

00:42:24 within the structure that you've been given so we desperately need leaders to
00:42:26 given so we desperately need leaders to

00:42:26 given so we desperately need leaders to understand these issues there are tools
00:42:28 understand these issues there are tools

00:42:29 understand these issues there are tools out there to do that this is where I
00:42:30 out there to do that this is where I

00:42:30 out there to do that this is where I will go academic on you for about 10
00:42:32 will go academic on you for about 10

00:42:32 will go academic on you for about 10 seconds
00:42:33 seconds

00:42:33 seconds go for it okay something called TPAC
00:42:36 go for it okay something called TPAC

00:42:36 go for it okay something called TPAC technological pedagogical content
00:42:39 technological pedagogical content

00:42:39 technological pedagogical content knowledge in other words how do you take
00:42:40 knowledge in other words how do you take

00:42:40 knowledge in other words how do you take technology ways you teach and the
00:42:43 technology ways you teach and the

00:42:43 technology ways you teach and the content you want to teach and actually
00:42:44 content you want to teach and actually

00:42:44 content you want to teach and actually get all three of those done at the same
00:42:46 get all three of those done at the same

00:42:46 get all three of those done at the same time that's what you have to do if
00:42:47 time that's what you have to do if

00:42:47 time that's what you have to do if you're going to bring these kind of
00:42:48 you're going to bring these kind of

00:42:48 you're going to bring these kind of techniques into the classroom another
00:42:52 techniques into the classroom another

00:42:52 techniques into the classroom another one is called si BAM concerns based
00:42:54 one is called si BAM concerns based

00:42:54 one is called si BAM concerns based adoption model or in simple words if you
00:42:57 adoption model or in simple words if you

00:42:57 adoption model or in simple words if you can ask teachers to deliver this stuff
00:42:59 can ask teachers to deliver this stuff

00:42:59 can ask teachers to deliver this stuff in the classroom you better watch how
00:43:01 in the classroom you better watch how

00:43:01 in the classroom you better watch how they react and take it seriously and
00:43:03 they react and take it seriously and

00:43:03 they react and take it seriously and support them as you do it the standards
00:43:05 support them as you do it the standards

00:43:05 support them as you do it the standards that we introduce are also a big issue
00:43:08 that we introduce are also a big issue

00:43:08 that we introduce are also a big issue it's going to take all this stuff to
00:43:10 it's going to take all this stuff to

00:43:10 it's going to take all this stuff to unlock these capabilities and if we can
00:43:13 unlock these capabilities and if we can

00:43:13 unlock these capabilities and if we can unlock it we will get a virtuous cycle
00:43:15 unlock it we will get a virtuous cycle

00:43:15 unlock it we will get a virtuous cycle going in our city and other cities can
00:43:19 going in our city and other cities can

00:43:19 going in our city and other cities can do this as well where you have interplay
00:43:21 do this as well where you have interplay

00:43:21 do this as well where you have interplay between the ability to bring
00:43:22 between the ability to bring

00:43:22 between the ability to bring professionals into a classroom to
00:43:25 professionals into a classroom to

00:43:25 professionals into a classroom to deliver those benefits to students or
00:43:26 deliver those benefits to students or

00:43:26 deliver those benefits to students or you don't
00:43:27 you don't

00:43:27 you don't yeah so if I look at the the daily life
00:43:30 yeah so if I look at the the daily life

00:43:30 yeah so if I look at the the daily life of a teacher they're in and if I'm a
00:43:32 of a teacher they're in and if I'm a

00:43:32 of a teacher they're in and if I'm a teacher listen to this right now and
00:43:33 teacher listen to this right now and

00:43:33 teacher listen to this right now and you're going I have to do more stuff I
00:43:35 you're going I have to do more stuff I

00:43:35 you're going I have to do more stuff I have to spend more time collaborating
00:43:36 have to spend more time collaborating

00:43:36 have to spend more time collaborating with my peers right now I'm spending all
00:43:39 with my peers right now I'm spending all

00:43:39 with my peers right now I'm spending all my time grading papers entering grades
00:43:41 my time grading papers entering grades

00:43:41 my time grading papers entering grades and the rest of these things so we were
00:43:45 and the rest of these things so we were

00:43:45 and the rest of these things so we were talking off the air and during the break
00:43:47 talking off the air and during the break

00:43:47 talking off the air and during the break for a bit about some of the stuff and I
00:43:50 for a bit about some of the stuff and I

00:43:50 for a bit about some of the stuff and I want to share this on the air so you
00:43:51 want to share this on the air so you

00:43:51 want to share this on the air so you gave an example that one of the Stanford
00:43:53 gave an example that one of the Stanford

00:43:53 gave an example that one of the Stanford I think OpenCourseWare classes they did
00:43:55 I think OpenCourseWare classes they did

00:43:55 I think OpenCourseWare classes they did on artificial intelligence and they had
00:43:56 on artificial intelligence and they had

00:43:56 on artificial intelligence and they had 90,000 students in the class and so what
00:43:59 90,000 students in the class and so what

00:43:59 90,000 students in the class and so what what did they do there to to grade these
00:44:02 what did they do there to to grade these

00:44:02 what did they do there to to grade these because they didn't just give them a
00:44:03 because they didn't just give them a

00:44:03 because they didn't just give them a bunch of multiple-choice tests no as a
00:44:05 bunch of multiple-choice tests no as a

00:44:05 bunch of multiple-choice tests no as a matter of fact you know that was a new
00:44:07 matter of fact you know that was a new

00:44:07 matter of fact you know that was a new challenge and they what they did which
00:44:08 challenge and they what they did which

00:44:08 challenge and they what they did which is interesting is called walking to talk
00:44:10 is interesting is called walking to talk

00:44:10 is interesting is called walking to talk they was an AI class and they used AI
00:44:14 they was an AI class and they used AI

00:44:14 they was an AI class and they used AI techniques to actually assist with the
00:44:17 techniques to actually assist with the

00:44:17 techniques to actually assist with the grading so you know for the kids for the
00:44:19 grading so you know for the kids for the

00:44:19 grading so you know for the kids for the students and these are adults at the
00:44:21 students and these are adults at the

00:44:21 students and these are adults at the university level but for the students
00:44:23 university level but for the students

00:44:23 university level but for the students that were taking the class for credit
00:44:24 that were taking the class for credit

00:44:24 that were taking the class for credit you know there was a little bit more you
00:44:26 you know there was a little bit more you

00:44:26 you know there was a little bit more you know personal involvement with the
00:44:28 know personal involvement with the

00:44:28 know personal involvement with the professor and so forth but for the for
00:44:30 professor and so forth but for the for

00:44:30 professor and so forth but for the for those that were auditing in a way the
00:44:32 those that were auditing in a way the

00:44:32 those that were auditing in a way the classroom around the world because of
00:44:34 classroom around the world because of

00:44:34 classroom around the world because of people teaching it we're renowned in
00:44:36 people teaching it we're renowned in

00:44:36 people teaching it we're renowned in their fields so it attracted a very
00:44:38 their fields so it attracted a very

00:44:38 their fields so it attracted a very large group they used artificial
00:44:40 large group they used artificial

00:44:40 large group they used artificial intelligence to really keep track of
00:44:42 intelligence to really keep track of

00:44:42 intelligence to really keep track of their progress so that it was done by a
00:44:46 their progress so that it was done by a

00:44:46 their progress so that it was done by a and it basically eliminated you know the
00:44:50 and it basically eliminated you know the

00:44:50 and it basically eliminated you know the a lot of manual involvement you know the
00:44:53 a lot of manual involvement you know the

00:44:53 a lot of manual involvement you know the labor part of it yet it was still
00:44:54 labor part of it yet it was still

00:44:54 labor part of it yet it was still effective and it was a great in essence
00:44:57 effective and it was a great in essence

00:44:57 effective and it was a great in essence way to test something like that that you
00:45:00 way to test something like that that you

00:45:00 way to test something like that that you know could be done ultimately in
00:45:02 know could be done ultimately in

00:45:02 know could be done ultimately in classroom because you know teachers do
00:45:04 classroom because you know teachers do

00:45:04 classroom because you know teachers do have a lot on their plates as you
00:45:07 have a lot on their plates as you

00:45:07 have a lot on their plates as you mentioned and and and one of the things
00:45:09 mentioned and and and one of the things

00:45:09 mentioned and and and one of the things that you cliff brought up which is very
00:45:11 that you cliff brought up which is very

00:45:11 that you cliff brought up which is very real and that is that you have to really
00:45:15 real and that is that you have to really

00:45:15 real and that is that you have to really have the administration understand for
00:45:18 have the administration understand for

00:45:18 have the administration understand for example you know what what is
00:45:19 example you know what what is

00:45:19 example you know what what is project-based learning and what does it
00:45:21 project-based learning and what does it

00:45:21 project-based learning and what does it require because first of all you know
00:45:23 require because first of all you know

00:45:23 require because first of all you know some teachers you know may be very
00:45:25 some teachers you know may be very

00:45:25 some teachers you know may be very comfortable with the way they do things
00:45:27 comfortable with the way they do things

00:45:27 comfortable with the way they do things so they may not be as interested in at
00:45:29 so they may not be as interested in at

00:45:29 so they may not be as interested in at that point able to make that leap and
00:45:31 that point able to make that leap and

00:45:31 that point able to make that leap and then for those that do they then have to
00:45:34 then for those that do they then have to

00:45:34 then for those that do they then have to you know get the right support to be
00:45:36 you know get the right support to be

00:45:36 you know get the right support to be able to make this work but if their
00:45:38 able to make this work but if their

00:45:38 able to make this work but if their administration doesn't have a real clear
00:45:40 administration doesn't have a real clear

00:45:40 administration doesn't have a real clear understanding of what it required to
00:45:43 understanding of what it required to

00:45:43 understanding of what it required to switch then again it's going to
00:45:46 switch then again it's going to

00:45:46 switch then again it's going to basically not work yeah it is I think
00:45:50 basically not work yeah it is I think

00:45:50 basically not work yeah it is I think about some of this stuff if you were
00:45:51 about some of this stuff if you were

00:45:51 about some of this stuff if you were from a the collaborating on the lessons
00:45:55 from a the collaborating on the lessons

00:45:55 from a the collaborating on the lessons piece and just even doing
00:45:57 piece and just even doing

00:45:57 piece and just even doing interdisciplinary curriculum
00:45:58 interdisciplinary curriculum

00:45:58 interdisciplinary curriculum coordination to where maybe you're in a
00:46:00 coordination to where maybe you're in a

00:46:00 coordination to where maybe you're in a biology class and you're doing stuff
00:46:02 biology class and you're doing stuff

00:46:02 biology class and you're doing stuff with fractions about cells dividing and
00:46:04 with fractions about cells dividing and

00:46:04 with fractions about cells dividing and then you're in your math class and
00:46:06 then you're in your math class and

00:46:06 then you're in your math class and you're working on that same thing right
00:46:07 you're working on that same thing right

00:46:07 you're working on that same thing right now and then you're in your music class
00:46:09 now and then you're in your music class

00:46:09 now and then you're in your music class and in music they're talking about the
00:46:11 and in music they're talking about the

00:46:11 and in music they're talking about the notes and the division and you're
00:46:12 notes and the division and you're

00:46:12 notes and the division and you're working on that same skill across three
00:46:14 working on that same skill across three

00:46:14 working on that same skill across three areas you're gonna learn that much
00:46:16 areas you're gonna learn that much

00:46:16 areas you're gonna learn that much better than if you were just doing
00:46:17 better than if you were just doing

00:46:17 better than if you were just doing fractions in math and you were doing
00:46:19 fractions in math and you were doing

00:46:19 fractions in math and you were doing something else in biology and and
00:46:21 something else in biology and and

00:46:21 something else in biology and and something else different in music at
00:46:23 something else different in music at

00:46:23 something else different in music at that point in time so you get that
00:46:25 that point in time so you get that

00:46:25 that point in time so you get that collaboration in the school that's not
00:46:27 collaboration in the school that's not

00:46:27 collaboration in the school that's not even project-based learning at all
00:46:29 even project-based learning at all

00:46:29 even project-based learning at all that's just curriculum coordination
00:46:31 that's just curriculum coordination

00:46:31 that's just curriculum coordination which doesn't happen a ton right now I
00:46:32 which doesn't happen a ton right now I

00:46:32 which doesn't happen a ton right now I guess that's the way our brains work
00:46:34 guess that's the way our brains work

00:46:34 guess that's the way our brains work yeah you know a lot of times we act
00:46:38 yeah you know a lot of times we act

00:46:38 yeah you know a lot of times we act Objectivist okay what do I mean by that
00:46:40 Objectivist okay what do I mean by that

00:46:40 Objectivist okay what do I mean by that I mean that I've got a fact and I'm
00:46:41 I mean that I've got a fact and I'm

00:46:41 I mean that I've got a fact and I'm gonna deliver that fact to you and by
00:46:43 gonna deliver that fact to you and by

00:46:43 gonna deliver that fact to you and by golly you better absorb my fact because
00:46:46 golly you better absorb my fact because

00:46:46 golly you better absorb my fact because it's there's the fact okay yeah you know
00:46:49 it's there's the fact okay yeah you know

00:46:49 it's there's the fact okay yeah you know that then there's this other in and
00:46:51 that then there's this other in and

00:46:51 that then there's this other in and here's the fancy we're getting
00:46:52 here's the fancy we're getting

00:46:52 here's the fancy we're getting constructivist right which is that I'm
00:46:54 constructivist right which is that I'm

00:46:54 constructivist right which is that I'm going to teach you but actually you're
00:46:56 going to teach you but actually you're

00:46:56 going to teach you but actually you're gonna learn something then the next
00:46:58 gonna learn something then the next

00:46:58 gonna learn something then the next person then the next
00:46:59 person then the next

00:46:59 person then the next person than the next person that is when
00:47:01 person than the next person that is when

00:47:01 person than the next person that is when we are successful in delivering learning
00:47:03 we are successful in delivering learning

00:47:03 we are successful in delivering learning to students remote let me say most
00:47:05 to students remote let me say most

00:47:05 to students remote let me say most successful person not black and white
00:47:08 successful person not black and white

00:47:08 successful person not black and white but it's it is personalized learning and
00:47:10 but it's it is personalized learning and

00:47:10 but it's it is personalized learning and it acknowledges the fact that your
00:47:12 it acknowledges the fact that your

00:47:12 it acknowledges the fact that your starting point is different and what
00:47:14 starting point is different and what

00:47:14 starting point is different and what you're going to retain is different and
00:47:16 you're going to retain is different and

00:47:16 you're going to retain is different and then you're gonna apply it and that's
00:47:18 then you're gonna apply it and that's

00:47:18 then you're gonna apply it and that's what we want we want them we want these
00:47:20 what we want we want them we want these

00:47:20 what we want we want them we want these students to be able to apply these
00:47:21 students to be able to apply these

00:47:21 students to be able to apply these skills so if you've got folks that are
00:47:24 skills so if you've got folks that are

00:47:24 skills so if you've got folks that are listening out here in the schools and
00:47:27 listening out here in the schools and

00:47:27 listening out here in the schools and the teachers administration faculty
00:47:29 the teachers administration faculty

00:47:29 the teachers administration faculty involved parents that go to school board
00:47:32 involved parents that go to school board

00:47:32 involved parents that go to school board meetings and stand on a soapbox and try
00:47:35 meetings and stand on a soapbox and try

00:47:35 meetings and stand on a soapbox and try to push things in the right direction
00:47:37 to push things in the right direction

00:47:37 to push things in the right direction where can they learn more about what you
00:47:39 where can they learn more about what you

00:47:39 where can they learn more about what you guys are working on how can they get
00:47:40 guys are working on how can they get

00:47:40 guys are working on how can they get involved from here well I know with you
00:47:43 involved from here well I know with you

00:47:43 involved from here well I know with you know this week as a matter of fact we're
00:47:45 know this week as a matter of fact we're

00:47:45 know this week as a matter of fact we're in the process of putting together you
00:47:47 in the process of putting together you

00:47:47 in the process of putting together you know our website we're putting together
00:47:48 know our website we're putting together

00:47:48 know our website we're putting together for first habis and all the media
00:47:51 for first habis and all the media

00:47:51 for first habis and all the media handles that we need you know so that
00:47:53 handles that we need you know so that

00:47:53 handles that we need you know so that there will be you know your will have
00:47:54 there will be you know your will have

00:47:54 there will be you know your will have facebook will have all the standard you
00:47:57 facebook will have all the standard you

00:47:57 facebook will have all the standard you know media connections that we need so
00:47:59 know media connections that we need so

00:47:59 know media connections that we need so but for right now I think you know the
00:48:02 but for right now I think you know the

00:48:02 but for right now I think you know the main thing is we're if you can google
00:48:05 main thing is we're if you can google

00:48:05 main thing is we're if you can google the San Antonio bear ecosystem stamps
00:48:10 the San Antonio bear ecosystem stamps

00:48:10 the San Antonio bear ecosystem stamps team ecosystem then I think that'll give
00:48:12 team ecosystem then I think that'll give

00:48:12 team ecosystem then I think that'll give you a good place to to get started and
00:48:15 you a good place to to get started and

00:48:15 you a good place to to get started and we have more and more continued to
00:48:18 we have more and more continued to

00:48:18 we have more and more continued to spread the word across the county really
00:48:20 spread the word across the county really

00:48:20 spread the word across the county really because by the way I also want to
00:48:21 because by the way I also want to

00:48:21 because by the way I also want to mention before we we done that we later
00:48:25 mention before we we done that we later

00:48:25 mention before we we done that we later also involved the county itself and so I
00:48:28 also involved the county itself and so I

00:48:28 also involved the county itself and so I know a judge wolf is very supportive and
00:48:30 know a judge wolf is very supportive and

00:48:30 know a judge wolf is very supportive and his staff as well so that's helped us
00:48:32 his staff as well so that's helped us

00:48:32 his staff as well so that's helped us with what you know we're trying to do
00:48:33 with what you know we're trying to do

00:48:33 with what you know we're trying to do address so all of those things are there
00:48:36 address so all of those things are there

00:48:36 address so all of those things are there and of course the city staff will have a
00:48:39 and of course the city staff will have a

00:48:39 and of course the city staff will have a lot of information on this initiative
00:48:41 lot of information on this initiative

00:48:41 lot of information on this initiative because they've been very supportive as
00:48:43 because they've been very supportive as

00:48:43 because they've been very supportive as well so there's multiple areas but there
00:48:46 well so there's multiple areas but there

00:48:46 well so there's multiple areas but there will be you know more formal things
00:48:48 will be you know more formal things

00:48:48 will be you know more formal things later this week that will be available I
00:48:50 later this week that will be available I

00:48:50 later this week that will be available I talked a little bit about si smart but
00:48:53 talked a little bit about si smart but

00:48:53 talked a little bit about si smart but just very briefly those were four to six
00:48:55 just very briefly those were four to six

00:48:55 just very briefly those were four to six members student teams grades 7 to 12
00:48:58 members student teams grades 7 to 12

00:48:58 members student teams grades 7 to 12 sponsored by teachers and if you want to
00:49:00 sponsored by teachers and if you want to

00:49:00 sponsored by teachers and if you want to know more about that you can go to si -
00:49:02 know more about that you can go to si -

00:49:02 know more about that you can go to si - more smart org we're hoping to have a
00:49:04 more smart org we're hoping to have a

00:49:04 more smart org we're hoping to have a lot more teams next year some of our
00:49:06 lot more teams next year some of our

00:49:06 lot more teams next year some of our partners in Si smart were safe stomach
00:49:10 partners in Si smart were safe stomach

00:49:10 partners in Si smart were safe stomach that's the word systemic but with an
00:49:13 that's the word systemic but with an

00:49:13 that's the word systemic but with an essay at the beginning and also
00:49:15 essay at the beginning and also

00:49:15 essay at the beginning and also communities in schools was a huge
00:49:17 communities in schools was a huge

00:49:17 communities in schools was a huge supporter also sense at which we
00:49:19 supporter also sense at which we

00:49:19 supporter also sense at which we mentioned earlier and if you want to
00:49:21 mentioned earlier and if you want to

00:49:21 mentioned earlier and if you want to learn more about these styles of
00:49:23 learn more about these styles of

00:49:23 learn more about these styles of teaching these ways of bringing lessons
00:49:25 teaching these ways of bringing lessons

00:49:25 teaching these ways of bringing lessons to students visit those organizations
00:49:27 to students visit those organizations

00:49:27 to students visit those organizations yeah we've had on the principle of a
00:49:31 yeah we've had on the principle of a

00:49:31 yeah we've had on the principle of a caste tech here as well she talked about
00:49:32 caste tech here as well she talked about

00:49:32 caste tech here as well she talked about project-based learning in detail so yeah
00:49:34 project-based learning in detail so yeah

00:49:34 project-based learning in detail so yeah that's a another a good one in our past
00:49:37 that's a another a good one in our past

00:49:37 that's a another a good one in our past will thank you both for joining us this
00:49:39 will thank you both for joining us this

00:49:39 will thank you both for joining us this week thank you for spending many more
00:49:42 week thank you for spending many more

00:49:42 week thank you for spending many more hours in your life working on this to
00:49:44 hours in your life working on this to

00:49:44 hours in your life working on this to transform the hundreds of thousands of
00:49:47 transform the hundreds of thousands of

00:49:47 transform the hundreds of thousands of kids we have here in school into folks
00:49:49 kids we have here in school into folks

00:49:49 kids we have here in school into folks that are going to be able to go on to
00:49:51 that are going to be able to go on to

00:49:51 that are going to be able to go on to long happy enjoyable life's and great
00:49:53 long happy enjoyable life's and great

00:49:53 long happy enjoyable life's and great careers because they're going to the
00:49:55 careers because they're going to the

00:49:55 careers because they're going to the education system that will meet their
00:49:57 education system that will meet their

00:49:57 education system that will meet their needs and our needs as employers going
00:49:59 needs and our needs as employers going

00:49:59 needs and our needs as employers going forward